Fascism is a far-right, ultranationalist, and authoritarian political ideology that emerged in early 20th-century Europe, characterized by a totalitarian, one-party state, a charismatic leader, a fixation on national decline, and the suppression of individual rights and opposition groups. It combines elements of militarism, economic self-sufficiency, and mass mobilization, often through propaganda and violence, to achieve a vision of national purity and power.
This is why I don’t like trump being called a nazi, a nazi was a nickname for the german fascist based on the name of the political party NSDAP, specifically the N part, National with the ti part being pronounced the same as the zi part in nazi.
Trump is an american fascist. When you call him a nazi it paints the picture of the ultra villified almost over the top hollywood nazi and it muddies the water and lets other fascist media pundits dismiss it over exaggeration.
Now after being pedantic I prefer these lists tlto check if you live in a fascist state
https://osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/PC-00466.pdf
Spoiler alert: the US is under control of a fascist government.
Nazis are a particularly evil type of fascist. It is the entire point of the label.
No, as I explained it was a nickname like Krauts were the German soldiers.
But I guess colloquially it became interchangeable with the use of fascism.
Much like kleenex became a word to mean box of tissues even though it’s just a brand of it.
So fascism = box of tissues, nazi = kleenex.
Either way, like I said, it’s just being pedantic, fascist cunts are fascists cunts doesn’t matter if they are Nazis, Magas or Soviets.
There were fascists in Europe until the 1970s.
The MAGA movement is fascist but it also has strong overtones of Nazi (blaming immigrants, camps, detention without due peocess).
Yes, there is nationalism without any socialism, but saying they shouldn’t be called Nazis is diminishing the evil that is currently being done.
There are literally fascists in Europe right now lol, it didn’t just go away, Macron almost to the fascist party and the AFD is the new fascist german party with huge support. Orbán fulfills at least half the the fascist checkbox if not more.
I am not sure if you have opened my links, but you probably should,
blaming immigrants, camps, detention without due peocess
You would see that these are explicitly mentioned as telltale sign of Fascism.
If you want here is an excellent video explaining fascism, specifically white fascism https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng
Yes, there is nationalism without any socialism, but saying they shouldn’t be called Nazis is diminishing the evil that is currently being done.
I have really not sure what you are getting at, they are nazis because National is pronounced as Nazional in german and that got shortened to nazi, they aren’t called nazis because it starts with Na and there is a zi in Sozialistiche.
Here it is how it’s pronounced if you are interested https://youtu.be/VxxFl5Xc8nc
And the socialism has literally nothing to do with it, NSDAP was socialist the same way north korea is democratic, you know it’s called Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
saying they shouldn’t be called Nazis is diminishing the evil that is currently being done.
Again, this implies that Nazi is like a stronger word for fascists, it’s not, it’s not like some is a fascist and then they do more bad and become a nazi. The political ideology is called fascism because it originates from Italy, from Mussolinis party.
All nazis are fascists. neo-nazis drew on the nazi movement and borrowed their imagery etc, but they never committed anything close to what the actual nazis did.
MAGAs are fascists who pretty much check all the checkboxes on the fascist list that as I said I have linked above.
The entomology is irrelevant. No-one should have a problem with MAGA leaders being referred to as Nazis.
Next healthcare?
Seems like the government owning private industry might stray into the socialism thing thy hate. Why not do this with something more important like healthcare? Republicans are hypocrites.
If you ask, they’ll tell you it’s different for ‘essential services’. It’s the same excuse they use for the farm handouts.
We’ve always had communism for the rich and cutthroat capitalism for the working class
It’s only socialism when democrats do it.
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Because healthcare would help you
Or the rental market…
Our healthcare system in the US is Socialism, only the government funds the corporations with subsidies, not paying outright for the citizens. It’s a man in the middle system where they stick a middle finger up your ass to get money from you three times. With taxes, with insurance, and with actual medical care.
Healthcare could help, that’s good socialism. Intel is profits and power and control for the sake of it. That’s bad socialism.
That way when things fuck up they can point and go SEE SEE IT DOESNT WORK! WE TRIED IT AND IT MADE THINGS WORSE!!
and if it somehow does manage to help or improve things they can now claim they did something smart and take all the credit.
Yeah, but then poor people would use it.
Well, no. In this case it’s probably Intel is collapsing I assume, and they’re the only CPU producer native to the US. It’d be a really bad thing strategically to let them fail, so they should be nationalized.
Funny, when Europe does this, it’s called “socialism”.
Yes and no. In this context, it’s more of a shakedown-sorta thing.
And when China and Arab states do it, it’s something to aspire.
Can you imagine the screams of, “COMMUNISM!!!” If Obama or Biden had done this. It’s all we would hear about for an entire election cycle. Fox “News” would play it nonstop.
Didn’t Obama do it for GM and a bunch of other companies as part of a bailout package for a period of time?
It was Bush just before he left office.
Ah but a bailout package is different. That’s a display of powerful capitalism. A private company so powerful it can’t be allowed to fail and a government so strong it won’t allow it to fail.
So did Bush. It’s only bad when their enemies do it. It’s righteous and just when they do it.
So if I’m reading that right they set for $700 billion worth of purchase during the Bush admin, it got reduced to 426.4 billion by 2014 and they claimed they made $15.3 billion. It sounds like they made a 3.5% gain on their investment total. A win! Yay… Only if you ignore the fact that if that money went in from 2009-2024, the money averages out on inflation to have been worth 481.29 billion. A loss of $12.15 billion dollars if they would have done anything else with it.
Overall I wouldn’t be mad that they wasted that money if they had focused on structuring the company moving forward in a manner that wouldn’t end up supporting a wealth divide moving forward. The CEO “only” had a salary of $2.1 million in 2024. Which actually sounds mildly alright. Yet her take home was $29.5 million when they got done throwing stocks and bonuses at her. That’s after GM stock started 2024 at $55.50… and ended the year at $35.64.
So the company lost ~36% of its “worth” and she got more than 13x her salary in stock and bonuses.
I was wondering recently if the idea of opportunity cost is the same for governments that can print their own money versus all other entities. I’m not entirely clear on how the that automaker bailouts were financed but would that money even have existed if they hadn’t used it for the bailout? It’s not like the government was going to create that amount of money and put it in a savings account.
A more appropriate way to look at it might be whether the money earned more than it cost the government to service the debt. IIRC servicing government debt is not inflation-adjusted, so it’s probably more informative to compare it to the cost of the debt not inflation adjusted-growth.
But this gets pretty weird since it’s not how finance works for entities that cannot print their own money.
Yes, but it’s not socialism we’re seeing. It’s fascism. Fascism also has state control of private industry. For a different purpose.
Uhhh, so much for the free market Republicans spent decades championing
They’ll run it into the ground regardless.
Well, yeah, they always do. Republican admins always leave the economy in the shitter and saddle the nation up with debt so that the incoming Democratic admin has to spend all of their time bringing the economy back up to speed rather than implementing effective reform.
They aren’t interested in effective reform either. Biden had chances to tax billionaires, or to imprison Trump. But yes they are better at handling the economy.
The “smartest people in the country” cant do two things at once?
And then Fox runs nonstop debt fear mongering and blaming democrats for the fiscal irresponsibly of the republicans
beat me to it
The market would be freer if it wasn’t dominated by a couple capitalist megacorpos. So nationalisation doesn’t mean less freedom, although neolib propaganda would love you to think so.
us taking a stake in a failing company sums up america
Remember we bailed out Harley Davidson. Twice.
Didn’t the US do a similar thing to save our auto industry? Buying in? I’m hazy on the details, been a minute, but didn’t we cash out and profit?
Not saying this is the end game here, but still?
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AFAIK the US government also made money off of the 2008 bailouts, at least I am sure they had to pay it back, but for some reason I think it lives in people’s minds as it was like a one time gift of money to those banks and they didn’t have to pay it back or anything.
for some reason
Perhaps seeing your government continually use your tax money to bail out industry that has no tangible benefit to anything but the stock market while fighting against every penny directly invested into the taxed populace colors peoples’ perception a bit.
I disagree with the “no tangible” benefit part, the Worlds economy was about to completely collapse, if you think things are bad now I am sure it could have been much much worse, possibly ww3 post apocalyptic hell-hole.
I do agree the US government sucks and should have implemented more regulations after and fucked up when they didn’t. But on the other hand, you guys are the ones with a Fascist government so you do keep electing these people.
Yes, I know I didn’t address nuance of economy and labor market in the curtness of my reply. But that is often poorly communicated or not at all, so we just see another private entity getting our money gratis or with very low interest.
Add onto that the de facto American policy that private citizens are on their own, circumstances be damned, while the capitalist interests get rescued every time their greed and other missteps hurt their ability to compete in the sacred free market and maybe you can see why people are less than charitable with how they perceive these events.
I think you arguing perception and I am arguing disinformation or lack of information as in if you went around the streets and asked some people whether the bailout money was paid back you’d get more people thinking it was just given to them.
Imagine bribing politicians to get tax breaks as those same politicians start to take more of a cut than the other side would have taxed you. I’m starting to think everyone that is rich and powerful are also incredibly stupid.
Wasn’t government cross-pollinating with industry a relevant component in 20th century definitions of fascism?
Release the Trump/Epstein files
I personally don’t think any of these big companies should be privately owned. Rare win for the pedo admin. Maybe we can get 10% of the epstein files next.
Everyone calling this socialism is a moron
Care to elaborate?
Could call it national socialism.
Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Not the government. The government can be fucking anything and it (or the people controlling it) profiting from owning a company isn’t socialism by itself.
It’s fine and all to talk about a worker’s government but is that what you would call a Trump presidency? The American government at any point in its history? Will literally ONE FUCKING DOLLAR of Intel profit go to a worker from this?
They’re cutting social services and expanding the power of the surveillance state. Just think for one goddamn second about function instead of form, I’m begging you people.
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If tax payers are going to be investing into these businesses and they’re avoiding taxes taking a share of the company is better than nothing.
I mean, it’s socialism, but don’t tell their voters
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government owning the means of production?
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Not socialism.
There’s a different word for that, unless you think the American government represents the working class.
