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    To all the “pragmatic” Americans will never vote for a woman crowd… There are already women in high positions of government all around the world, including Italy, not exactly a bastion of progressiveness.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_government#Current_heads_of_state_or_government

    Hillary Clinton and Harris lost because they were terrible. Maybe the Dems should run a candidate who’s not terrible??

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      The “people will never vote for a woman” crowd is sort of right. A woman will never be elected with the current DNC, but only because they view a woman candidate as an excuse to be shittier. They think their base will hold their nose and vote for a worse candidate just because of what’s in her pants.

      AOC might get elected because she’s interesting on her own merits and has enough name recognition to not be buried by the DNC. They’ll do their best to prevent it though.

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      The “never a woman” crowd confuses me because I’ve never seen a president or my father take his dick out to fix anything.

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        Michelle Obama only polls well because of name recognition, she’s essentially a non-political figure.

        What’s her position on the genocide in Gaza? What’s her take on universal healthcare? What’s her plan for Ukraine? Would she fight for gun control? Etc etc…

        Right now, people can imprint their personal beliefs onto Michelle. If she would run, she would have to clarify all of her political positions, and then her poll numbers would naturally drop.

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      The “never women” crowd would never vote for a progressive candidate to begin with, so I don’t think it really matters.

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      Clinton and Harris lost because they supported the status quo of people not being able to afford things! they like genocide! they’re WOMEN!

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    Honestly, as much as i dont like the “Hillary and Kamala lost because theyre women!!” Narrative, i think enough people have convinced themselves that its true that the safer bet is just to run AOC as VP and have someone more appealing to your average old white guy democrat as the PoTUS. I think Waltz would be a pretty good pick in that regard, but hell i would take Newsom (or anyone really) at this point.

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    I want to be selfish, I want New York to keep her a while longer. Chuck needs to retire already and she needs to replace him for at least 2 terms. She’ll still be plenty young enough to run for VP or President after that. Maybe by then people will vote for a woman President…

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    The only thing I know for sure is that if the DNC has their druthers, (and there’s an election at all) they will run a straight, white man.

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    She’d never win.

    Not because she’s a woman.

    Not because she isn’t white.

    Not because she’s more socialist than most.

    She’ll never win because every time she decides to not tank her entire political career and thus the entire movement behind her, the moronic delusions of leftists who think she can 1-woman revolution her ass to ending capitalism forever but chooses not to, overwhelms the public narrative.

    Nobody hates the left winning more than the left, and you can see this every time AOC chooses to wisely and strategically navigate the political landscape instead of acting like a screaming banshee of a college trustfund psuedo-leftist trying to score some proletariat pussy.

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      If anything she won’t win because she doesn’t know how to act like the main character. She should be the spiritual leader of the Democratic party right now, and she easily could be by picking a fight with Schumer

      When he passed the funding bill, he basically guaranteed the death of the party as it is. It’s historically unpopular, everyone hates them and what they stand for - including their base

      Solidarity means an end to your political career right now, people are very clear in what they want. If she had the sauce to be a leader, she wouldn’t be waiting her turn… She’d already be leading

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    I think people underestimate how powerful it is to have a candidate that is even moderately attractive. Democrats are obsessed with running the oldest dinosaur they have because it’s “their turn”

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      Except when you realize that the last five Republican presidents have looked like: Annoying Orange with a cobweb toupee and a perfectly cylindrical body; the guy who bullied literally everyone in high school; an unholy combination of Jeff Daniels, age 70 on the right side and Jeff Daniels, age 40 on the left side; a washed up movie star with too many hours under the warming lamp; and the villain in a teen movie about having a bake sale to save the local dance hall.

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        Be honest with yourself. Of the candidates that have run in the last 20 years, who was the “most” attractive? Keeping in mind the majority of voters are boomers. With the exception of Kamala, the “attractive” candidate won. Hell go back even further, Al Gore won the popular vote, Clinton before that. You could argue that to win the presidency you just have to be the most attractive.

        Edit. I should have phrased it better. I meant of the 2 presidential candidates, not necessarily attractive in general.

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          Ok, last 20 years. So that’s Obama v. McCain, Obama v. Romney, Clinton v. Trump, Biden v. Trump, and Harris v. Trump. Five elections: two featured probably the most attractive (or at least youngest) president in recent history winning, and the other three featured maybe the ugliest S. O. B. on God’s green earth, who won twice. I feel like it’s generally a tossup.

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      running the oldest dinosaur they have because it’s “their turn”

      Nothing says “in touch with the needs of the American People” like making sure to enforce the written rules and unwritten customs of the line of noble succession everybody is waiting in. But they’re lined up to take turns on a ride that burned down long ago.

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    I’ll campaign for her as hard as I did for Bernie - and I was whole of body when I first campaigned for Bernie. I’ll break what remains of this body if it means increasing her chances of victory incrementally.

    But we’ll have to survive 'til then. That’s not guaranteed, unfortunately.

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    i would vote for her 100% but i dont think she would win. america has an institutionalized bias against women in higher office. the only way i see this changing is the president dying and a woman vp taking over.