Senate Democrats rejected for the 10th time Thursday a stopgap spending bill that would reopen the government, insisting they won’t back away from demands that Congress take up health care benefits.

The vote failed Thursday morning on a 51-45 vote, well short of the 60 needed to advance with the Senate’s filibuster rules.

The repetition of votes on the funding bill has become a daily drumbeat in Congress, underscoring how intractable the situation has become. It has been at times the only item on the agenda for the Senate floor, while House Republicans have left Washington altogether. The standoff has lasted over two weeks, leaving hundreds of thousands of federal workers furloughed, even more without a guaranteed payday and Congress essentially paralyzed.

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    The GOP is doing a great job of building the opposition campaign slogan: “The GOP kept the government shut down for X days for the sole purpose of denying Americans access to healthcare.”

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      Except the people that need to hear that truth won’t believe it.

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        North American elections aren’t decided by changing people’s minds, they haven’t been for decades. They’re decided by getting the non-voters out for your party. 30ish % of the electorate will never drop Trump. 35ish % of the electorate will never vote R. Elections are decided by the 35% in the middle who usually don’t even vote.

        They only vote when the impact on their lives is impossible to ignore, hence why Trump’s COVID inflation gift to Biden got them off the bench. “Food is much more expensive now, I blame <person currently president>”. These people can be swung, but it requires their lives to be directly and obviously impacted. Maybe loss of healthcare would do it.

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          Until you realize the gaming of the voting systems simultaneously being attacked and no one is talking about it.

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            Oh I’m with you - gerrymandering, purging of voter roles days before elections, systemic voter suppression methods, etc. are all existential threats to democracy. I’d argue that apathetic voters is a bigger issues though in aggregate, the vast majority (80%+) want taxpayer funded single payer healthcare but if you were to consider “did not vote” as a political party, “did not vote” would have won the election in 2024 by a landslide (40/30/30). Voter suppression alone cannot account for ~108 million voters.

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          I’ve shifted my goal of convincing my parents from trying to get them to disavow Trump, to simply trying to convince them not to vote at all.

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        When the Dems surrender, and health care premiums go up 5 times in a MAGA administration, the MAGA dummies will get it. They’ll try to blame Dems somehow, but it will be itching them in their lizard brains that this is only happening under the MAGA administration.

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      This is a monumentally dumb and deadly idea. Want to watch the US cease to exist as a global super power? Good luck maintaining our nuclear arsenal without paying people.

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        There are a lot of people still being paid. ICE for example. Much like everything involved with the US congress, the rules aren’t real and can be changed on a whim.

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      I don’t even care that they’re blaming it on Democrats. Dems SHOULD own this, and brag about it. Dems should be telling the American people: “These MAGA psychopaths want to take away your health care tax breaks, which you literally need to live, so they can give MORE tax breaks to the wealthy, who don’t need it.”

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    Healthcare is an excellent place for democrats to hold the line, especially now when so much is lost.

    Usually I blame republicans for shutdowns but now I blame republicans, and cheer on the democrats.

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      The number of people I know of that are wondering why their e-filing for taxes with the IRS haven’t gone through yet (deadline was the October 15th) is pretty high. “They normally go through in a couple hours”

      There have been massive cuts to the federal government, and something like half the IRS is furloughed apparently at the moment. I have no evidence that’s why something that normally runs fairly smooth is delayed… But it sure as hell would make sense.

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    The ACA subsidies mostly benefit people in Republican districts, which is not being stated enough.

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    I hope they don’t cave this time. If they don’t do something to get the monthly premiums down millions of Americans will go without healthcare, and the cost of caring for people without insurance will be offloaded or “Cost shifted” to people who have insurance, forcing them to pay an inflated price for treatments, visits, and procedures.

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    They claim we can’t afford the tax breaks for health care for Americans, but they can give $40 billion, the amount that would pay for the ACA subsidies, to Argentina.

    Their leader can’t even get a haircut that doesn’t make him look like the manager of rock band in the 70s.

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    What a fucking load of shit. The democrats rejected things? Who the FUCK is in charge? Who owns the SENATE, the HOUSE, and the PRESIDENCY?

    The Republicans do. They fucking own it all. They are doing all of this.

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      Don’t forget to mention that Trump knows more about the Gov than anyone, and he’s smarter than everyone else…and I think he said, “No one can do it like I can.”, but somehow he can’t get a deal done here. In fact, he ain’t even trying. He looks like he’s playing golf all day and watching Fox (News?)/

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    Npr did an interview recently . I thought the host did well until the Republican said they would re haul health care.

    I wish the host asked if the Republican’s position was to let the credits expire while they try to overhaul the system.

    That’s the exact reason the Dems are protecting the American people from unaffordable healthcare. If something isn’t done now it won’t be done

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      Democrats attempting to protect Americans from the repercussions of their own choices, and getting criticised for it - while Republicans speedrun towards a techno-fascist feudalist future.

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        Bruh, as someone whose pay is 100% caught up in this shutdown, I applaud the Dems.

        They might be protecting the status quo atm, but as least they’re taking a stand against shit getting worse. Everyone has to start somewhere!

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          I hope you and the rest can make it through this mess relatively unscathed. I do wish the GOP would stop holding heath care hostage.

          I just saw from my us represtative his office is willing to help people if they are impacted by the government shutdown. Not sure if others are doing the same

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      remember when trump ripped obamacare to shreds and said their replacement was weeks away?

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    Of course media and liberals overlook the fact that the government being “shut down” is part of the kabuki theater. There is nothing stopping the government being funded at previous levels unless a consensus was agreed to for the current year. It only takes a simple majority to make that change. The Dems could have done that during Obama, and also in 2020. But they didn’t because a shut-down leading to lots of employee attrition and smaller government benefits the capitalists.