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Just FYI, the number may be up a bit more than we are seeing due to how the website pulls its numbers.
There’s a lot of instances that put anti ai/ crawling tech in front of their instances. As well as instances that are no longer sharing stats due to ai activity.
The numbers come from
/nodeinfo/2.1(may be different on different softwares, check.well-known/nodeinfoto find the endpoint).E.g., https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/nodeinfo/2.1 is the one for my instance.
nice. Yeah Ive seen a bit on the API side. And Ive come across a couple that dont federate/have it behind arubus, etc…etc…
Most dont but a couple do. I wish I could find another…but of course now that im looking I cant find the instances.
It is what it is. I have no idea how to incite a new wave short of Reddit shitting itself in some way
I think what we can try to do is to create an active community.
In the old place, I recognized I really came for the comments. That’s why I try to keep my threshold for commenting low and comment often.
Even if it’s just to thank someone for a good comment or other low effort commenting, I like to think it helps.
We definitely need better onboarding. I am pushing for this on piefed via directs to newcomers@piefed.zip for new users to introduce themselves
It’s that live now for Piefed.social ?
Yep, it’s live.
@skavau@piefed.social
I haven’t checked personally. Requires making new accounts to check each time
It should also fire when you manually make a user from the admin panel, if you want to test it out
https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic/Onboarding/near/7719
You’re an admin IIRC?
Staff. I don’t think I can do that. I can check later
Ah, I misremembered!
I’m not a programmer so I can’t speak to how hard this is, but I think it would be a big asset to building user base if there was a neutral sign up website that wasn’t a specific instance. It would basically choose an instance for you automatically and skip that part. I figure there could be some list of general purpose instances compiled that are all fair game and the site would try to spread the load across instances.
Average user doesn’t care about federation, and all of that complexity is a big turn off. I know because I almost didn’t sign up myself because of that. Having to pick a team just to get in the door feels kinda bad.
- point people to one instance you like instead of a general website
- on Piefed, when people register, they can either join indeed the instance they’re on, or have a look at other options: https://piefed.zip/auth/instance_chooser
Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion. This idea wouldn’t be to remove the normal sign up process, it would be a way to side step it entirely for those who don’t care about the technology aspect of it and just want to be part of the community.
If you want to pick your own instance or suggest one, that would still exist. This would just be an alternative. It would also help to avoid everyone gravitating towards the largest instance, because it would try to load balance people automatically.
Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion.
I don’t, nowadays, I just point to piefed.zip
This would just be an alternative
The issue is that there aren’t really instances that are similar enough to be considered interchangeable. They all have their specificity, be it admin style, defederation, downvotes enabled or disabled, front-ends available, etc.
Yeah that’s a good point. Maybe it’s too different for it to work. I maintain that complexity will continue to push people away, though. If instances are that different we might have better luck referring to them as their own sites. That would just increase the flocking to single mega instances though. The most important feature of any social media site is who’s on it.
Incidentally Piefed have nice trend. https://piefed.fediverse.observer/stats&months=48
You have a point but maybe the gatekeeping is a good thing?
Average user doesn’t care about federation would translate to the average user doesn’t care about this community. Maybe?
It’s like how some old forums would charge for an account. Kept a certain low effort person from signing up. Sure it might turn people off but if you do enough work to understand how to get in then there’s a level of buying into it that might make you care more.
Just some thoughts.
I would love to have more diversity here, so I’m afraid I don’t agree with that. 🤷♂️
I was in the same boat as you regarding signing up. I also agree with you that the concept of federation might be confusing for new users. Just gave up at the promt to explore other instances (in lemmy.world sign up) and signed up to lemmy.world.
I ended up where I did because I wanted the closest thing to no instance possible, and the great folks running this one try to do just that. It’s fediverse Switzerland lol
Ugh that’s a really good point. I need to work on more ‘whatever’ throw away comments
Thank you for your service. I agree with you on the issue, but am a bit afraid that if more people onboard here, the threads will be just the same reddit hivemind circlejerk like ”i also choose this guys wife” etc. But since there is no karma to gain here I wish it will stay like this.
Yep. I agree with this. Re-creating Reddit at the same scale just brings all the same problems. I like that federation means smaller more localised communities that can be connected (or not). I get that it’s not what everyone wants or is used to, and that’s okay.
The rules of the game are different so Lemmy wouldn’t be like Reddit even with the same scale.
I honestly found that one funny, and I don’t mind the funny comments either.
Still I get what you are saying about the problems.
It is funny indeed, but after a while I felt exhausted after reading the same repetitive threads over and over
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Is this counting Piefed?
No. It says lemmy only so no piefed or mbin
Last I checked, Piefed had only a fraction of the users Lemmy had.
I have an account in a Piefed instance and it’s awesome (especially if they add image galleries before Lemmy does), but I don’t think it would meaningfully move the graph.
I mean with how many instances have launched a piefed server the last few months and with how small Lemmy is in the first place even a thousand or so users switching would explain some of that slight downward slope at the end.
There are 43 Piefed instances.
Yes, it does - but you have to account for the users on there if you’re measuring the fediverse activity in general. And Mbin. Combined they’d add about 2.2k extra users this month.
Should aggregate number of Lemmy and Piefed users (and maybe Mbin, NodeBB too), and see if the graph looks very different then
If your model depends on users coming from lemmy, you’re going to run out of users just the same.
If we factor all these softwares in together, the user amount might be steady or even climbing upwards. While this curve in OP is currently going down.
I’m decently satisfied with my experience here. Be careful what you wish for
Back in my day, we kept StickPage.com alive with a community of maybe 100 animators. We were happy and productive. 😁 Quality over quantity. Chin up!
You can’t ignore PieFed at this point anymore. I think the statistic is skewed without it.
which part, I can’t see Piefed in the data
Exactly
hey this is a nice rug, where did you ge-
- ow, wtf man! Is this how you treat your guests?
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/stats
Piefied is at about 5k monthly users and rising, so that does help a bit. With that factored in the monthly users is probably about level over the last 2 years and comments are going up, although that could be the influence of bots as well.
Ah yes, 2023 the year lemmy went to shit.
This is actually pretty good user retention. Most platforms bleed way more users after a surge in sign ups (eg Mastodon, Pixelfed, Threads, Bluesky).
they most likely went back to the original platforms they came on, reddit, X,tiktok.
Did Mastodon ever have users? Lol.
This is fine. We don’t need lemmy or the fediverse to take over completely immediately.
It’s a good working prototype that’s not a complete ghost town and that’s good enough for now. It doesn’t need to win everywhere immediately, it’s fine if it’s a working solution we can point to and new communities can be created if some people decide to and they won’t exist in a complete vacuum.
Don’t forget “conspiracist” : fluoridated because Russia wants to weaken our sperm
It feels like that… the timeline reflects the vibe
Quality over quantity.
Haven’t had to deal with a single power hungry mod since I’ve been here.
Oh boy. Yepowertrippingbastards are a thing on lemmy.
they are all on reddit, where all the addiction is, and plus alot of the supermods seemed to be associated with the admins or is an admin themselves.
No they’re definitely here, just go disagree with Dessalines on .ml
Have you blocked .ml?
Hahaha
Fr. I shared a meme the other day and was staring at New for about 10 minutes to see if it would get removed… then I remembered “This is Lemmy” lol
You could try to upload a pic on r/Pics and it would get autoremoved for “Having the wrong amount of pixels”, and if you fixed it and messaged a mod they’d tell you “Actually we no longer accept .jpegs or .pngs. WebP only. Also, this is now considered a repost.” I’m barely exaggerating.
Must not be that. I’m still here.
Unfortunately there is a handful of “power users” spamming low quality memes in all 10 communities they created, every day.
Block them?
Unlimited growth is capitalist mindset. Stability and community are what we value here.
The fediverse has been feeling really good lately. It’s actually getting hard to scroll to the end of the frontpage.
This doesn’t seem to be hoping for unlimited growth but rather that is has stagnated and is even falling. That can kill a community especially when it is as small as it is
You see decline. What I see is that a remarkable number of users have remained.
Agreed, so much is stacked against us, these numbers show we are serious about making alternative communities.
Anecdotally, it doesn’t feel like the experience is contracting, or part of a shrinking community. It’s worth asking what the data means, and whether it’s bad, but there are definitely other reasonable factors too. Users from interoperable platforms like mastodon and piefed, individual people using fewer accounts, or even fewer lurkers, could be responsible for a good chunk of the data.
it kinda shrank after lemmy.ee went down, because they moved scattered to piefed,etc. and also blocking people too.
I agree except it feels like people are way more active here than on reddit, me personally I never commented but I comment all the time on here. Lemmy feels really active even without a ton of users (especially discussion threads)
its probably due to self-censorship because subs, and reddit is ready to ban you at the moments notice for saying something they think its violating the rules(misconstruing) and not do actually violating by being vitrolitic, or bigotic. you have to be careful what you say on reddit.
That said, it is unfortunate that this only applies to very general spaces or some specific communities. If your interest is even a little too niche, the dedicated communities often feel like a graveyard unfortunately.
probably went back the mainstream ones like reddit, and the others, assuming you wernt banned in any of those platforms permananetly.
Well, this is really going to tank our quarterly report. What do you think the shareholders are going to say?!
And yet the graph is going down…
People have started using Piefed insted of Lemmy, but I’m not sure we should throw away hope for the fediverse because of that.
PieFed and Mbin are both different implementations of the ActivityPub Protocol just like Lemmy. Although I doubt this graph includes either of them, despite how many left Lemmy for Piefed when Lemm.ee went down.
I looked and PieFed adds another ~1600 monthly active users and Mbin a further ~700 to the mix. PieFed starts out its chart with single digit user counts and ends with three orders of magnitude growth, so definitely not flat at all, though stable over the last few months.
I think Piefed has mostly been migrations from Lemmy (especially from lemm.ee), that’s why it had a big jump and then seems to have stabilised.
PieFed is also advertised often over in Reddit, like in r/RedditAlternatives.
It’s all or nothing baby! Let’s burn it down if something isn’t perfect from day one.
Piefed is part of the Fediverse so surely it’s still a good thing overall?
Nah its basically stable. Green is monthly which fluctuates with seasons (more people in northern hemisphere and spend more time online in winter months). The blue line is yearly rolling average and the initial spike takes a long time to work though giving impression of gradual decline.
People will come in waves, some will share the same mindset and others will seek out more dopamine centric engagement.
Yeah. And we don’t need to attract the MOST people, just the BEST people
Rare user from feddit.it 🇮🇹
feels like there was a missed opportunity there
Could be fedd.it was already taken
I might be in the minority but I’m entirely comfortable with moderate explosive growth, it hasn’t hurt bluesky one bit. Especially since explosive growth here implies reddit is dying.
Personally I’d prefer to avoid reddit-ification, it had become very bad in the last few years
