Yeah, but that is the case for a LOT of murder done by both states and individuals. I’m in no way saying that to lessen how bad it is, if anything it should give people pause to reflect on how bad many things they don’t see as bad are.

Exactly.

Some reason they believe that they ARE drug boats?

How do I know you’re not a drug boat?

Even if they are drug boats…this is not a crime punishable by death without due process.

Besides that it’s from the administration that lies all the time, and no proof has been shown? I guess not, though there are good arguments that the boats couldn’t have reached the US and having 11 people on a smuggling boat doesn’t make sense.

Then there’s the fact that the crimal punishment for smuggling isn’t death and they were not even charged, had a trial and found guilty.

Presumption of innocence.

Also, a long history of the US government engaging in fraud and slander as an excuse to start wars, from the USS Maine to the Gulf of Tonkin incident to the WMDs in Iraq.

In the US, there’s this lil piece of paper called the constitution. Within that is the sixth amendment which kiiiiinda gets in the way of of just killing people when the government feels like it.

Lemmy?

Do you think we all hold the same opinion or something? You’re here too, you’re as much under that umbrella of vitriol that you’ve just spat as the rest of us.

It was more about prioritizing personal moral integrity over the practical consequences of their (in)action by not preventing fascist a president that announced he would turn your country into a war zone for non-white people.

And of course racism: white people don’t really care much about non-white people.

So when your team did drone strikes it was cool? Or is it only bad when the other guys also murder brown people?

As I understand it, the reason was she wasn’t some perfect anarcho-socialist, so until the Mainstream AF Democratic Party that intentionally sidelined Bernie Sanders in 2016 fields a national candidate that is the most far-left progressive imaginable, it’s not worth voting at all because it’s an act of protest against one’s self, which is morally superior to giving a flying fuck about other people who are 100% bound to suffer and die as the result of that action. Basically spoiled rich kid logic.

I’m not yet too old to utilize my second amendment rights, but the people that think like this are the ones that push things in that direction. They’re accelerationists of the same magnitude as the hard-right Zionist MAGA fools and don’t realize how easily and completely they play right into the hands of every single thing they hate by acting like this.

Now smash the down arrow, crush that report drop-down, and spam me with Marxist diatribes all you little .MLers. It doesn’t absolve you of the part you joyfully played in making these crimes happen to all of us a year ago. Y’all are disgusting.

Nice straw man. You mad not everyone was sucking Joe bidens balls with a big enough smile? For not staying quiet and asking for nothing in exchange for my vote like a good boy?

kamala is not worse then trump. While im sure these people exist (hit me up with your sources), this was not why people were upset with the democratic party.

We just want to not be disenfranchised. Is it so hard for the self described defenders of Democracy to allow the voters to have more then two choices in the voting booth in blue states?

How about just having a presidential primary? Is that bar low enough for the blue conservatives to waddle over? Uhoh, im asking for representation! PURITY TEST! PERFECT ENEMY OF GOOD! what a joke of a nation when the “good guys” seek to silence their own voters with rhetoric.

Democrats strangled democracy every election cycle they didn’t make replacing First-past-the-post voting a priority in the states they control. The republicans just delivered the knockout blow. Good job sacrificing the nation so democrats could have safe states and easy elections against the worst of us all.

Democracy is not “vote for my preference or else”. I would never seek to force you to vote how I want to vote. Yet you continue to do so, even after the most humiliating defeats the democrats have delivered us.

Time to lose your monopoly on resisting the republicans blue MAGA. Not that you ever deserved it. The worst allies anyone could hope for. More like an abusive relationship.

So Obama didn’t drone strike weddings? Stop this partisan polar bullshit, this is a problem with the country.

why Kamala is satanspawn and would’ve been worse for everyone

Nobody said this. Kamala lost not because “Lemmy purists are dumb”, but because she ran an unelectable campaign. If the Democrats had run a progressive candidate they may have had a chance, just look at the Mamdani avalanche. Besides, wasn’t it Democrats themselves who pushed for this with the pied piper strategy of radicalizing the republicans towards fascism to “make them less electable”?

Useful idiots wouldn’t be upset if Kamala won because they don’t care about the working class.

Literally nobody is saying Kamala would be worse. We’re telling the ‘stupid fucks’ that ‘falling in line’ is a losing strategy and they should stop relying on it to combat fascism.

Instead of getting mad at the people who didn’t fall in line because Kamala is an establishment candidate, you should be getting mad at those who nominated her in the first place. But you’re too naive to do that, so here we are.

The two-pronged strategy works because of people like you. I don’t expect you to learn, ever.

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But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.

It’s not like those can’t be planted. They’re already killing civilians of another country, there’s no bottom in their games.

If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port

That would require due process, instead of a spectacle of Shock and Awe.

Also, let’s say, hypothetically that these aren’t drug boats. Let’s say they are boats moving medical supplies or fuel or building materials between Venezuela and Cuba. Let’s say they’re actually military units working on behalf of the Venezuelan Coast Guard or just fisherman who got caught in an international crossfire.

It’s just easier to say “Drug Gang. Killed them.” knowing no major American media source is going to publish a rebuttal. Nobody in the US has access to the details of the attack. Nobody is going to interview the families or investigate the wreckage. Nobody is going to contradict this regime when it comes to butchering citizens of the Global South.

So why not call them a drug gang? Call them human traffickers. Call them roving nautical pedophiles. Call them Islamic Jihad.

American audiences won’t hear anything different.

Over 65 people. He’s killing all the retirees.

Because that doesn’t make you feel like a couch badass warrior. Duh.

Expecting them to pay reparations is very optimistic.

Trump is trying to escalate tension with Venezuela to instigate them to attack us. Then he can rule that we can’t have another election during a war.

Huh, it rippled backwards in time, too