cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/38674008
The supreme court has issued an emergency order temporarily blocking full Snap food aid payments.
The high court’s order came after the Trump administration asked a federal appeals court on Friday to block a judge’s order that it distribute November’s full monthly food stamp benefits amid a US federal government shutdown.
After that request to block was denied, the Trump administration turned to the supreme court in a further attempt to block the order to fully fund Snap food aid payments.
The application to stay reads: “If forced to transfer funds to Snap to make full November allotments, there is no means for the government to recoup those expenditures – which is quintessential irreparable harm. Once those payments are made, there is every indication that the States will promptly disburse them. And once disbursed, the government will be un-able to recover any funds. Worse, these harms will only compound if the decision below stands.
After a Boston appeals court declined to immediately intervene, Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson issued an order late Friday pausing the requirement to distribute full SNAP payments until the appeals court rules on whether to issue a more lasting pause. Jackson handles emergency matters from Massachusetts.
What the fuck is Justice Jackson doing ? Fucking I give up on the whole lot of them “Justices” now.
What the fuck is Justice Jackson doing ?
Here’s one analysis:
Jackson gets this application because it’s from the 1st circuit, and she is assigned to initially handle all shadow docket matters from the 1st circuit. By writing this admin stay, she potentially keeps the full court from stepping in and doing it for her. And this way she gets to set the 48 hour limit. This could cause the whole case to be decided one way or another a lot faster.
The supreme court let the trans passport case sit on the shadow “emergency” docket for 48 days. This stay gives the 1st circuit approx the weekend to make their decision, then the 48 hour deadline puts some oomph on the rest of scotus to make their decision.
If Justice Jackson did nothing, and 5 votes on the court intervened to issue a stay at 1 am, then there would be no 48 hour limit.
Knowing KBJ, I knew there must be a good reason for why she did that. Thank you for the analysis.
When you consider the strategy here, and the potential downsides if Jackson didn’t issue this stay, it makes more sense why she did it.
We’ll see how SCOTUS rules on it. Hopefully they’ll be on the side of fucking humanity
God damn you bringing all this rational and logic to a discussion. ~~This is reddit dammit! ~~ I have been informed this is not ::: reddit :::.
Either way, damn you, I just want to be angry! No thinky! Angry!
The gold is always in the comments. Have some Lemmy Gold.
Thank you so much for the breakdown.
Trying to start a riot to force Martial Law, at least from what I’ve heard.
She is one of the (few) good guys with power.
She is not working towards marshal law
Martial, as in Mars aka war, not marshal the rank
So they want to starve people.
Starvation is an economically efficient way to reduce the population, just like Israel or Russia have done, two of Trump’s best friends. Only the poor ones will die, so it works great.
They can always force the poors to have more children for slave labor
I’ve been saying this for weeks, they want people to riot… they are trying to manufacture a reason to enact martial law…
No. They want to steal from people. The abject cruelty left in the wake of that is just an added benefit.
I think they want people rioting in desperation so they can declare martial law.
Indeed. The question will be how to keep the military, commandeered to kill their own countrymen, from following this illegal command.
Take the Texas national guard, tell them Portland has been overrun by Antifa, and send them in. That’s the trick. If you send the locals, they won’t do it. You have to get people who will listen to you and aren’t local, that way they don’t think they’re fighting their neighbors.
For example, at Tiananmen Square, they called up hundreds of thousands of troops from outside Beijing, not just for pure numbers, but because they would be less sympathetic to the students.
They already know this. That’s why Stephen Miller is doing this exact thing.
When the local national guard units are deployed for riot control, usually they do a relatively good job. In the 1992 LA riots, there were a couple thousand CA guardsmen (I can’t find a solid number) plus a couple thousand more other law enforcement, over 12,000 arrests, and 63 dead, of whom 9 were shot by police and only one by the national guard.
(Kent State is the notable exception.)
That is a fact. They want an excuse to start deploying the military and I hope to God there’s enough officers in the military that has enough balls to support the Constitution and not the fucking dictator. They are trying to push a civil war
There is no one who could fight the feds in a civil war right now. They want domestic violence, riots, that they can crack down on to take more power and train people to accept domestic occupation.
Wars require combatants. The troubles in Northern Ireland was not a civil war, and the IRA was far more organized than anything that exists now here in the states.
They want a fight because they think they can win.
Maybe they will arrest the people issuing the illegal orders just after they give the illegal orders.
Maybe?
When you say they do you mean the military? The military has no arrest authority over civilians. The posse comitatus act specifically says that. When I was in the military we spent two days going over the posse comitatus act and what the military is allowed to do. That was part of my officer training. There is no legal recourse for the military to do anything. If civilian leaders give illegal orders the only thing the military can do is look at the civilian leader and say no that’s against the Constitution and we cannot do that. It was set up specifically like that to keep the military from trying to take over. Because you know a general could say hey civilian guy giving illegal orders we can arrest you or the general could say hey civilian in any situation we can arrest you and hold you indefinitely. The purging of the brass in the military and especially the upper echelon officers is really what is disturbing about this. The fact that there are military officers that are willing to go against the Constitution is even more deeply disturbing. I’m not really going to blame some 19-year-old recruit that just come out of basic because they don’t know any better but they’re NCOs and officer corps sure as fuck does. And that’s where the real problem lies. Just like Bannon recently that the Republicans better take over the institutions or we’re all going to jail in 2028 so he knows they know that all this shit is illegal but here we are
They probably all jack off watching the first 45 minutes of The Running Man
They don’t consider the ones starving “people”.
It really sucks for the people that didn’t vote for this, but for everyone who did or was too lazy to get out and vote… I will be taking great schadenfreude in listening to them complain.
TIL 💫
Everybody is just a number to these people. Absolute sociopaths.
“decrease the surplus population”
Weird how the people that say that also believe in “white genocide”
or the same people saying POC are more racists then they are, as if being racist is an excuse, excusing the fact that its perpuated by racism of white people.
-ebenzer scrooge.
Soooo much winning everywhere!…
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So the argument is that “if we give people food, and then they eat that food, then we are harmed because we cannot make them give us back that food that they ate”?
I always said these people were dumb.
Well… I suppose the public could give them back the food they ate, after they ate it… but it would be smelly…
Headline should read “supreme court encourages politicians to screw Americans over more”
Sitting back here as a Canadian and wondering wtf is wrong with Americans. This okay for most of you? Cause this mf and his minions need justice dealt swift and furiously like NOW. Do you need Canadians to teach you how to circumvent the Geneva Convention or something to get the job done? Jfc unbelievable.
They want riots so they can take control of the cities. We’ve already started voting these clowns out. How would you address this as a lone citizen?
It’s not okay for most of us. We’re trying to fix this but realistically it will take some time. And pain.
That’s not true, most of you voted for this or approved of it by not voting. That’s not to say all of you. There are millions of Americans against this and we support you, but the problem is that the majority are, well, fucked. That’s what needs to be addressed.
There are tons of people who both “voted for this” and are not doing okay.
They did the fucking around. Now they’re finding out. (Or not. In which case they’re still suffering, they’re just too brainwashed and/or ignorant to appropriately assign blame.)
Which means that in a way, you’re both right. But whatmeworry’s point that this will take time can’t be understated. It’s frustrating how many people are complaining about the speed of this all, as if similar events in the past didn’t take years to resolve. It’s exhausting to be suffering under fascists, attempting to foster local community (in a strongly “individualist” society) in order to have strength against said fascists (especially as someone with social anxiety), and then coming online to read the opinions of ignorant outsiders bitching that we haven’t yet overthrown a billionaire-driven, military-backed, surveillance-owning government that possesses a band of legal kidnappers.
I mean, hot damn, just because it takes minutes to read a synopsis about historical revolutions doesn’t mean those revolutions occurred within minutes.
Are you under the impression that this started with Trump? It didn’t.
Seriously, it’s goddamn shameful, and painful to watch.
It’s shocking because of how easy it was for them to do the decent thing. Literally all they had to do was nothing, but they paid for the lawyers and did the work, and made a conscious effort to fuck over the most vulnerable people in the country.
All to advance Trumps agenda
Of course. Of fucking course. Why the fuck wouldn’t they?
Fuckers.
My deepest sympathies to all Americans, even the ones who support Trump. At the end of the day, they’re just victims of the system like the rest. And no matter the outcome of the last election, this was inevitable, Trump or no Trump. At best it could have been postponed by a few years.
I wish it was different, but I can’t see all of this ending with anything less than a full blown revolution and/or world war. Nobody wants this and everyone would like to avoid this, but it just doesn’t look at all possible right now.
After long decades of enslavement, brain washing, tyranny, and terror, a good chunk of Americans is realizing that there’s no world in which this is acceptable or excusable.
In addition, there’s finally again a superpower to rival the USA.Whatever your feelings on the USSR or China - there can never be just one superpower, because we’ve seen what that leads to. I wish it was the European Union, but it looks like the USA was mostly successful in destroying all efforts for Europe to become truly great and powerful. At the very least China is currently more friendly than the USA has ever been. Let’s hope they keep this attitude even after America crumbles. That’s probably the most optimistic scenario I can think of.
They make it seem like families being fed is somehow the emergency that needs to be prevented.
“If forced to transfer funds to Snap to make full November allotments, there is no means for the government to recoup those expenditures – which is quintessential irreparable harm. Once those payments are made, there is every indication that the States will promptly disburse them. And once disbursed, the government will be un-able to recover any funds. Worse, these harms will only compound if the decision below stands.
“There is every reason to expect that if the shutdown lingers, the court below will not command the government to tap these funds again in December to support Snap – blowing a bigger hole in the budget for the child nutrition programs.”
This is absolute bullshit. Those funds have already been allocated by Congress in the 2023 Farm Bill. The money is already authorized for use for the next few years. They don’t need to “find it” somewhere else, or “get it back” at some future date. It is literally sitting ina find account, waiting to be used.
The only reason these benefits would be held up for any reason during a government shut down, is if the staff in charge of distributing that money are not currently working. That’s what the $6 billion emergency fund is for. Paying the federal employees needed to make sure that money gets to its pre-authorized destination.
They don’t need to “find it” somewhere else, or “get it back” at some future date. It is literally sitting ina find account, waiting to be used.
You’re assuming Trump hasn’t already appropriated those funds and handed them to ICE or his rich buddies. How the hell can he loot the government if courts are allowed to force him to spend money where Congress tells him to spend it?
If he has done that, then he’s broken federal law, and will be facing criminal charges and most likely jail time, once he’s out of office. That goes for anyone else who helped him, as well.
Lol ok bud.
Wake the fuck up
Hey! It’s obviously your first day on the Internet. Glad to have you here, welcome!
Now, before you comment further, I suggest you do a little study of American history over the last decade.
Then get back to us with your thoughts.
Donald Trump has a certain degree of immunity for official acts only. The people who work for him do not. The only thing protecting any of them right now, is the fact that he’s still in office. Once he’s out, everyone who committed crimes on his behalf, are all going to be charged.
And even he is open to prosecution for anything that can be proven to have been committed for purely personal gain (which is almost everything he does).
You may not remember this, but every single one of the lawyers who did his dirty work after the 2020 election, to try and flip the results…have all been found guilty of crimes and misdemeanors…and had their law licenses taken away. This shit does have consequences. Trump himself is just really good at gaming the system, thanks to the fact that he has so much money to burn on his own defense. But even that will only go so far.
Speaking of lawyers, I just read an article today about all the lawyers that have been fired from the DOJ, and how they are all forming law firms with various specialties going after MAGA crimes - immigration issues, fired federal workers, etc. By firing all those lawyers, he seeded the legal resistance that will give legal authority to the punishments of him and his henchmen.
This is the best news I’ve heard all weekend. Do you have any sources you can share?
My girlfriend and I just toasted yesterday to Mamdani’s win and Cheney’s loss. With shit getting worse by the day, it’s been a long time since we’ve had anything to look forward to.
This was the article:
The new law firms being founded to fight Trump
Here’s another good one that covers a lot of the same territory:
Former DOJ lawyers switch sides
I Googled Fired DOJ Lawyers Form Boutique Law Firms, and these articles was first, and a whole bunch more followed.
Very encouraging.
That’s very good news.
It’s extremely encouraging. I love that the people he is abusing aren’t just slinking away like the MAGAs expected (because thats how cowardly MAGAs would behave), they are firing back.
That’s the legal world, which isn’t known for cooperation. So what are the fired Generals doing? They are known for lockstep organization, and I doubt they are slinking away away, either. Generals aren’t usually known for their lack of courage, but they are known for their ability to keep quiet about their plans. If the lawyers are organizing against MAGA, it’s a pretty good bet that the Generals are, too.
Birds aren’t real
Jail? At this point?
Their crimes against humanity have far exceeded that, and this entire administration exists at all so their pedo hitler can dodge jail.
If there’s any justice, their regime will be facing a pockmarked wall, or the end of a rope.
I honestly can"t tell if you’re serious…
I am serious. They can just keep adding it to the list of charges that will be levelled against him, once he’s removed from office. Steve Bannon wasn’t joking when he said they will all be going to prison, when this is over.
He never did time for any of the crimes he committed last time he was in office. What reason is there to believe it’ll be different this time?
That was because they started investigating those cases a little late. But the cases against him would have warranted prison time, if they had gone to trial.
This time around, he’s doing even more illegal shit, and being super obviously about it. He doesn’t seem to understand that everything he’s doing is going to be used against him. His reckoning is coming.
My theory is that they already spent/stole the money and it’s literally not there.
STOLE.
That would be misappropriation of federal funds, and it would mean that his entire administration is heading for prison, as soon as he’s out of office.
Lol sure thing.
…an emergency order to not assist the people.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WE ALMOST HELPED SOMEONE. SOMEONE IS SO FUCKING FIRED.
and they will find a way to be blame democrats about this lol
