The thing is, these arseholes don’t see the poor, the needy or basically anyone who can’t do them a favour or help them in any way to accumulate wealth, as people. We’re nothing to them, less than nothing and they don’t care if we die.
The irony is that the majority of MAGA is impoverished themselves. They’re fucking crabs in a bucket
Fuck these goddamned mass murders. I am so fucking sick of America.
🤨 you are?
Did hell freeze over or something?
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Ah right, America is paid for and run by foreigners. I always forget that.
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Putin is not your president, no matter what you meme.
And trying to use coded language, doesn’t change your intent to offend.
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About a third of American wealth and debt are held by foreign entities. So in large part, yes. Where are you from, that is without sin (besides, clearly, judgment)? I would like to move there.
Individual income taxes account for $2.66 T or 51.8% of the US revenue. Social Security and Medicare taxes make up another 33%.
Lol, always the same attempt at whataboutism. Rest assured I think little of my country either.
Your math sucks
That’s not my maths, it was data taken from the treasury department.
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I don’t agree with nor represent my government, and if you made any effort to actually read news or stories that aren’t sensational headlines you would know that this country feels massive disapproval towards our government.
If you can’t stand the bloodthirsty morons who call themselves patriots, congratulations, about 2/3 to 3/4 of the country shares your feelings.
USAID has a complicated history. On the one hand, preventing deaths by starvation is absolutely laudable and something that every rich nation should be trying to do. However as a tool for soft power, USAID was used to turn subsistence farmers off of their land so that US companies can buy it or so that the country becomes entirely reliant on the US and will do whatever they say, and that’s pretty evil.
That being said, cutting USAID overnight is the stupidest way to go about fixing the problems that USAID creates (and obviously Trump doesn’t care about the evil side anyway).
Hey, I spent some of 2009 and also 2013-2014 in Kenya working alongside USAID folks
Not calling you a liar but could you please educate me? My experience was that the goal was the opposite.
Now, wading through shitty opportunistic local capitalistic scumbags was an issue, but a separate one.
Well, to be fair, I live in America. USAID helping world hunger is good and I support that. And we could have done a bit more. And USAID manipulating foreign production to maintain my countries dominance is also to my benefit. Very much so.
It’s not evil. It’s morally ambiguous at best.
I want to help people, and I want my representation to do the same, but not to the point that it undermines my own countries dominance, and therefore my own livelihood. Because the other country wants that same power to themselves for their own benefit. And probably not to my own benefit.
I think it’s fare to say that the next country will give way less of a shit about my well being. That’s my problem. My representation failed miserably.
It’s not evil at all. It’s actually a very reasonable and a very human way of looking at the scenario.
Wanting to dominate others is a trait of sociopaths, and not something that most humans want.
That person wouldn’t be allowed to write Superman
More of a geopolitical ‘tragedy of the commons’ in my opinion, but hey, you do you amigo.
I’m sure he loses sleep over it.
/s
Pedo Antoinette doesn’t GAF
And they will still claim that communism is the biggest killer with capitalism only saving lives.
It is incredible how cheap USAID was and what an outsized impact it had. Basically what that means now is America has lost any soft power it has. The parts of the world that aided US companies and interests due to the US providing aid to their countries have no motive in continuing to do so, and coups and overthrows won’t always work if enough people continue to hate your guts.
Basically if and when China steps up in providing aid, then Basically China will fully replace the US on the world stage.
I actually predict that there will be a ww3 of some kind when the US gives one last desperate attempt to hold onto power, and it won’t be a pretty sight.
China’s “helping” by investing heavily all along the silk road, full on newly built ports in Africa, and any nation who wants to become the new cheap labor market so China doesn’t have to, and can grow, usually by ripping off other nations technologies.
You know the surveillance state in China? You know those bitch ass tech bros in the US and elsewhere? The ones who claim we need a bigger more invasive surveillance state in the West else China will win?
They are the ones who salivated at selling and providing all the tech to China and continue to do so. Do you remember when Google initially flat out refused China’s heavily curtailed and monitored version of Google for their own market and Google initially refused because it was too authoritian? Well a few years after that they came crawling back for those sweet sweet Chinese monies and gave them all they wanted and much more.
So ripping off is bullshit. They playing them like a fucking fiddle and developing their own tech on top of it, which is exactly what happened in all other developing nations. Japan was once seen as nothing but a cheap low-quality copycat from the 1920s to the 1960s before they suddenly became the smartest most creative people in the room… and the same shit was being flung at the Chinese until they became the massive powerhouse they are now.
China is obviously going to help building infrastructure to benefit their own shit. But the major difference is China hasn’t bombed anyone or established overseas military bases… yet. Anything can happen in the future.
China will also absolutely want authoritarianism to be spread and have their fingers in the data of all countries they trade with. The west is no different. They have been trying to get Apple to give them full access to any iPhone on the planet, even those belonging to people who have never left their hometowns and never will in countries nowhere near the UK. How is this better than what China wants?
the major difference is China hasn’t bombed anyone or established overseas military bases… yet. Anything can happen in the future.
It’s worth noting that is changing. They have two overseas military installations now and a lot of their commercial ports are set up for dual use so they could use them for wartime navy if needed.
But I do still think China is much more interested in economic soft power vs the USA who’s power projection is oftentimes “help us or we’re just gonna take what we want with force.”
Obviously that’s a huge oversimplification of a very complex topic just thought it was worth mentioning China has some overseas military force projection capabilities but they’re very limited.
I mean, the USA can basically move the equivalent of most nations military to anywhere on the planet in less than a week. It’s pretty crazy. But I think we are going to see some serious shake ups in the navy with new tech, carriers are great but it takes a lot to support them and some hypersonic missile batteries could probably make it through current defense systems. I’m not sure we’ll ever see a large scale naval battle on the open seas ever again but if that day does come it’s going to be real interesting except for, you know, all the deaths.
Eesh… some of the comments here, are in the same boat:
Lies so big not even their inverse are true.
Feel free to prove your counterclaim.
I dunno, I can’t get quite as outraged over indirect deaths caused by essentially pulling back on charity to foreigners. It’s about one step off from accusing western nations of being responsible for all the deaths in North Korea, just cause the west didn’t directly intervene.
The general population of the USA is not that concerned with foreigners / international politics and issues. If the politics of the states is meant to reflect the will of the people, them opting to refocus their funding / efforts to domestic areas isn’t that surprising or off brand.
Yes, other people, especially the prior beneficiaries of that charity, will view it as ‘wrong’. But they’re hardly an unbiased stakeholder. Like yes, this likely diminishes the USA’s soft power globally… but the states doesn’t really care about that anymore anyhow. Having a ‘land’ buffer zone between them and other geopolitical powers was beneficial in yester-years war dynamic. Now it may be much less important for them to maintain – especially if the rest of those countries are so neutered that they can’t realistically defend their own sovereignty, be it militarily, culturally, or otherwise.
Seeing what happens when the US just stops helping makes me realise: The good they did as a superpower over the decades isn’t talked about as much as the bad. Obviously now, there is plenty of that, too.
Between COVID and this… fuc&. That’s a lot of ppl with zero accountability. Sounds like America.
Not just Trump. These decisions were heavily pushed by Elon Musk. He is a stain on human civilization.
and now he’s gonna be a trillionaire. ugh. Kill off 600K people, tank a company, and get a trillion dollars. since incompetence if being rewarded, i should be a quintillionaire.
I mean, credit to the guy, he did invest early and hard in MAGA.
Not just Trump and Elon… But also the entire nexus of capitalism and its state. Literally destroying human civilization.
Trump’s shuttering of USAid has a murder rate of 88 people per hour.
Of the 600,000 people who’ve died, 400,000 are children. These are mostly food aid deaths, we still haven’t seen the consequences of disease control ending (HIV, TB, Malaria, and others.)
They’re estimating 22 million death total by 2030. So this disaster is unfolding and accelerating.
Orange Mussolini always liked attention, wanted to be famous……. History will put him up there with Mao and Stalin as causing most deaths
This isn’t 600,000 recorded deaths to date, its an estimate based on the reduction in budget. Reducing the budget reduces maximum capability, which means its estimated that 600,000 people would have died by now.
The 600,000 estimate is how many actual recorded deaths THIS YEAR can be attributed to reduction in USAID.
So more than 600,000 people have died, only 600,000 can be blamed on MAGA.
The other estimates are forecasts, but the 600,000 number is to date. Says so in both the headline and the article.
No. Go read the source material more carefully. I’ve checked like 5 of the trackers and not a single one I’ve read reports a single actual, verifiable death. Ita pure math. That doesn’t mean there aren’t deaths, it just means this is a purely mathematical estimate. The discussion should be “is this estimate reasonable”, not “lets assume this estimate is reasonable and talk about how bad Trump is”.
Because the areas that needed the aid programs have well run and stable governments that provide live census updates?
Edit: ah I see what you mean now. There’s certainly been individual recorded deaths from starvation however. That data is what you build these models from.
Well I though reading the methodology of the source material was more accurate, but I guess fuck me right?
Not really sure where you got that from, given that the article and the article’s source of the tracker they are using has pretty clear language indicating that these are 600,000 recorded deaths that can be directly attributed to the reduction in aid. Where are you getting this?
Www.impactcounter.com/methodology
Its the source linked in the article a few paragraphs down.
Okay, I can see how you would interpret the source that way. It certainly does use statistical data to approximate deaths. It feels a bit disingenuous to state it as “its estimated that 600,000 people would have died by now”. That makes it sound like it’s just a number pulled from estimates of how much things cost, at least in my opinion.
One of the studies on Malaria was able to create “near-real-time projections” for 2025 malaria cases. A projection doesn’t mean the same thing as an estimate. You can can estimate that 50 out of 100 coin tosses would be heads, and you’d probably be right, but if you projected it, you’d have to measure the dimensions of the specific coin, control for wind, etc, and while you still might be wrong, you’d likely be less wrong than merely estimating based on the two possible outcomes and a glancing observation that the coin is roughly symmetric/evenly distributed.
In this study we synthesised the most up-to-date information of all-funder volumes of key malaria control interventions (ITN, IRS, ACT, SMC) with PMI data on planned volumes and spatial targeting of funding in 2025 to derive near-real-time projections of malaria control intervention coverage in Africa under two scenarios: a business-as-usual scenario in which PMI commodities procured and distributed as previously planned versus a ‘no-PMI’ scenario in which PMI funding and technical assistance is absent. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.02.28.25323072v1
I think you make a good point and are more nuanced about it as well. I mainly objected to the framing in the article and title, and that it takes so much effort to parse.
Has there been any information on what support, if any, has replaced USAID since its funding cut? I’m for helping those in need but I dont trust America frankly. An international aid organization would be a better fit than one run by the US government.
The fact that I can’t load the replies you got tells me that the evil chuds I’ve already blocked previously are out in force on this post. Some people delight in the idea of yanking help from people who aren’t white, male gamers. Whatever they’re saying, block 'em and don’t get discouraged. Lemmy is just as bad as some of the worst reddit communities the way literal children try to get attention with poorly-educated hot takes.
I’ve realised the supreme power of blocking out the clown sounds. It’s so liberating. Literally chatting with tiny thinkers just ends up making me angry all day. Now it’s a different story, one with conversations and considered viewpoints.
Between this and the Americans who died from his botched COVID response, Trump has killed way more people than Osama Bin Laden.
Trump’s playing in the big league of nutty mass-killing autocrats. He has already outdone Idi Amin and has people like Mao, Stalin and Hitler in his sights. I bet he’d take pride in that too, particularly the Hitler bit.
Combine all the people he killed during COVID, cutting USAID, and RFK junior insanity and the death toll will be higher than American WWII casualties.
Oh, wait, Pedonald already came pretty close, according to some estimates, with just the failed COVID response. Maybe him and his thugs are going for many multiples of that - it’s at least 2x WWII deaths (405K) if you estimate about 300K for failed COVID response + 600K for USAID. The damage from RFK junior being an unqualified dumbass is probably hard to estimate just yet.
Oh, and then there is this: https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/excess-deaths/103566/
This was excess deaths per year, annually, before COVID. JFC, conservatism really is a death cult.
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Take all their money, and then kill them? That’s not a government.
It is, however, what led to Batman…
