I’m thoroughly convinced the entire tankie triad is a psyop to turn people off from socialism.
Defederation is of the utmost importance!
I’m thoroughly convinced the entire tankie triad is a psyop to turn people off from socialism.
Defederation is of the utmost importance!
Gets progressives fighting about stupid shit. Divide and conquer is too successful.
Often the more stupid the take the better, as long as it gets people thinking x/y group is stupid.
Im still convinced the atheism/feminism war was completely manufactured.
If an atheist needs to defend against the claim that they hate women for trying to get circumcision generally banned in the USA. Etc.
Not a reasonable claim, but within a couple years it was just blanket public opinion that associating with atheism or men’s rights meant you hate women.
Similarly, academic social studies got reframed and poluted with the notion that its all gobbledygook that isn’t respectable or important, because it won’t make you money, and then because SJW became the aesthetic.
I’m not arguing that there weren’t unreasonable incel and sjw types, but the idea that these groups can only be these things ensured that the original motivations and goals of the group no longer mattered in the greater social lens. Just the extremes of the binary drama, and if you associate with either movement, you are these things.
Also gets into progressives conceding spaces because society already decided those spaces can only be the bad people, and any progressives around those spaces must also be bad people.
At this point is becoming more clear how blatant it is that every progressive movement falls apart due to things entirely unrelated to the movement.
Anyone heard about hassans dog lately? Not a fan of him leaning into tankie shit sometimes, but he’s actually involved in social movements around important stuff like the Palestine genocide.
But now the majority of people learning about hassan are only learning about a rumourmill smear campaign.
Also not a Hillary fan, but same shit with the Hillary emails.
Also the general media on “BLM violence.”
All you need is someone starting fires and pointing at progressives. Tribal warring takes care of the rest, and it works every single time.
We need more robust communication and cooperation between progressive groups, allowing them to heal over the bad takes rather than spend all their energy on a poorly defined culture war. A good grounding for people to share would be surviving the global push for authoritarianism and fascism.
The social narrative is always conveniently the worst possible thing it could be for fighting the oligarchs.
My observation is that there is a minority in the men’s rights movement that does hate women, and the movement is not great at making it clear that they do not represent the movement and fail to exclude them if necessary. Mind you, the same problem exists vice-versa within the feminism movement. Those movements then point at those extremist minorities in the “opposite” movement (if you remove the extremist elements they don’t even really oppose each other, but unfortunately the extremist elements are a part of the movements) and say “hey, they’re fighting against us!” as a kind of rallying cry. And it’s not exactly wrong - it’s almost similar to the Nazi bar analogy that if you don’t draw clear lines to keep those extremists out of your movement, well, then yeah, they’re part of your movement. And so things just get more and more extreme, with the social bubbles the internet creates just making things worse.
And honestly, it seems like every progressive social movement has this issue. Whether it’s anti-racism or awareness for sexual violence, there’s always that one extremist section the movement does not seem to be able to or want to exclude.
that’s the thing with complex diverse and ever-growing systems that are specializing towards their own salient eco-niche. which just means… it’s complex, and large populations get bubbles of dumb people using the words and thoughts of the bigger group for their own local opportunism.
i think most groups suck at identifying and policing such spinoffs, but i have witnessed many groups actively try, but ultimately when society calls them X/Y for identifying with a group, they will leave the group to not be associated, which clears out all of the people who were policing those people out of the group.
one of my common topics is how the spinoffs blindly lash out at [enemy tribe] and how that is used to re-define the original group, leading to some victims justifying blind attacks in the other direction. a self-fuelling reverberating snowball of dumb angry reactions that seem weirdly good at preventing solidarity and co-construction.
i absolutely agree with you that it’s an issue, and a universal one. possibly the most important issue. the building of solidarity and co-constructed understanding of the world that doesn’t fall for blind divisive traps.