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I’m gonna delete the account after selling my Quest 2 for the Steam Frame
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I backed the original Oculus Rift, and felt massively betrayed when they sold to Meta. :(
For years since I’ve been waiting for A VR solution that plays nice with Linux and is at least somewhat privacy-respecting, and I have been absolutely unwilling to buy a Quest device or anything else. I want to play VR but I’m not willing to sell my soul for it. So it’s been an unhappy but conscious boycott from me.
I too then am super looking forward to the Steam Frame because it’s the device I need to get back into VR and feel happy and excited about it, rather than disgusted.
This has been such a depressing trend over the last few decades.
Fresh bright-eyed startup with a passionate creator develops some interesting and innovative product.
Gets bought out by FAANG, turns to shit and stops working properly or gets discontinued, and primarily functions as a spyware device.
That’s just the inevitable endgame in a capitalistic society. Most startups’ end goals at inception are to sell out to a corporation.
Fortunately, GabeN shows no interest in selling Valve to anyone.
Yeah they’re largely an anomaly in that regard.
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Is also dangerous to associate emerging technology with big tech, sure they make some and sell some at tempting discounted prices BUT they are not the only ones and when aiming so you leave then an open field.
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I think the cure is identifying that it’s all bullshit every time
I mean that’s great but it doesn’t stop everyone else from falling for it, and you having to pay the price accordingly.
I guess this is how I arrived at calling myself an “anti-technology technologist”
I just call myself a Luddite at this point. Any technology developed outside of FOSS just completely disinterests me. Everything else is assumed to be malware.
I got into cycling a few years’ back. But of course technology is coming for bicycles too and all my riding buddies are just so amped about it and can’t understand why I want absolutely nothing to do with it.
technology is coming for bicycles too
Went from e-bike to fixie and ironically enough this isn’t a joke. I’m happier and healthier now.
Most people’s goals are to not have to work for a living. Selling a successful startup allows for that to happen. Unfortunately, the startup needs to start making money after someone pays a lot of money for it, and we all know what happens next.
That makes it sound like these startups have no choice in the matter. The funny thing is, you don’t have to sell your company to an enormous evil corporation if you don’t want to.
Partly true but Amazon has been known to make dupes of a product and sell it at a loss to drive the competitor out of business. I’m sure that threat lingers in some peoples’ minds.
They probably also promise the management team “you’ll still have creative control after we buy you”. Then turn around and replace each of them one by one
Yeah, I worked for an amazing company for 13 years, a big corporation bought it, and now I have my own business and my soul back. Same shit, “you’ll still have full operating control” and then they moved everything to India.
Depends on who your initial investors are and the contract you signed with them. They can and will force a sale if their RoI isn’t met in a specific time-frame, or if the buyout price reaches a certain valuation.
In capitalism you do. Society demands it.
No, not really. But if you don’t sell you don’t get a lot of money and mostly that’s what people want, that’s why the startup exists.
Same, still got the devkit 1 and 2 in my cellar.
Really looking forward to the Steam Frame to finally get standalone VR without Meta involvement.
Have they sent out Dev kits yet? I know a game dev who is making a VR game on steam and he’s had nothing but radio silence from valve.
Haven’t heard anything yet.
Steam creator is also a Linux fan boy btw
Palmer Lucky turning into a Bond villain wasn’t exactly something I expected when I first saw him pushing the original Kickstarter Oculus
I feel like posting about Facebook on /c/Privacy is like posting a photo of the dictionary definition of surveillance. Like, YEAH. WE KNOW.
Was unaware of the steam frame, thanks for putting them on my radar! Wonder how they’ll fare as a monitor replacement for dev work. I’ve seen people use the apple goggles for that because they’re pretty high res. Seemed pretty cool
They just really want to get to know you.
People who bought this hardware are dumb fucks.
Even if rooted and used without account via PrivateQuest?
Cassandrafatigue doesn’t know anything about what they are talking about.
Fitting username at least.
It’s hardware that can be used with SteamVR or load opensource VR apps directly onto it like DoomVR.
This is almost like someone complaining, “Facebook messenger is asking for my birthdate on the 120hz 1440p monitor that Facebook sold me for half price.” and you reply, “People who bought a PC monitor are dumb fucks.”
It is cheap 3d goggles that display what your PC sends it. Just like your monitor. You don’t have to use Meta’s software. You definitely don’t need to use Meta’s VR Chat app (That’s Horizon that the OP references.)_
Meta is selling VR at a loss like a console where they make up the loss with software game sales. But unlike a Switch/PS5, you don’t have to buy their games. So the real idiot is anyone who wants VR and doesn’t buy a Meta product. Buying a Quest and then using SteamVR causes Meta to lose money.
I’m paraphrasing the guy who owns it. A known and verified quote that was leaked years ago.
I’d ask how you don’t know this but it’s pretty clear you bought one.
I bought them for my kids. I didn’t buy it until you could use it without a Facebook account.
I recognized the quote. But as I explained it doesn’t apply because the dumb fucks are those that can’t see buying a loss leader hardware product and then not using it the way they planned hurts Facebook.
Tankies give the order of Lenin. I say rationalization should get the order of… Gladwell or iglacias? One of those guys.
Quest is cheap hardware you can use however you want. You didn’t know what you were talking about.
There really weren’t any comparable standalone alternatives at the time. I just wanted to play some Beatsaber back then.
Paraphrasing the guy who owns the company.
Not that he wasn’t entirely correct.
Setup a fake account. Use a friend’s bday you’ll remember. Its not hard. That’s like saying “people who use email are dumb fucks” since they also ask for bdays.
God forbid people enjoy some vr.
You think that’s all they collect? You bought one, didn’t you?
My kids got one. We don’t have FB accounts. I have pihole setup as my DNS, don’t have cable, use Firefox and ublock, ads mean fuck all to me. I ride the high seas, have been since Napster. I pay for what I like, avoid what I don’t.
I’m old enough that if there is something they don’t know about me, it’s not hard to find. People act like a company knowing their name and address is going to send them to a early grave or something.
You need to find your balance of security and convenience and learn to live your life.
Your…name and address? What century is this?
You keep asking questions and providing nothing. Put up or shut up.
You want my name and address? That seems kind of rude. Why?
In what way did I ask for that?
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Bruh im looking at buying a used quest 2 because they offer such a compelling value. But seriously do I have to make an account just to use the damn thing? What if I only use it teathered to my pc?
Yes. It’s much like Android, iOS and Windows where you are the product so you can’t do literally anything without an account.
Basically bs when it comes to Android. Android will run offline, with no account, degoogled, fully non-gms, or all of the above. As well as inside and outside containers, emulators and virtual machines.
(Some devices and vendors may lead to less choice than others.)
Yes, if you hack it. No one distributes it that way. You’re being needlessly pedantic.
I have one that I used to use with my PC (switched to linux and it’s a pain in the ass to do is why I stopped). I would still have to log in to start the app to hook to my PC.
4-20-1969
1969-04-20
I see ISO 8601, I upvote. Simple as.
20-04-1969
ante diem xx Kalendas Maias de anno MMDCCXXII ab urbe condita
The downvote?
Shitty formatting YYYYMMDD sorts chronologically and alphabetically
And with minor formatting is the actual ISO standard.
24-7-69
I swear once at 2nd grade I saw a doctor write a date like this and then did it only to get a long scolding by my teacher.
I’ve seen that date mentioned before. What is the reference?
Idk, just seemed funny 😅
Oh, I see now. 69. 24/7.
Nice.
Ha ha very nice 😏
on that note I finally deleted facebook. Goodbye meta!
Better late than never!
My birthday is always January 1st of 2000. It used to be in 20th century but I didn’t want to give away my real age.
It used to be in 20th century but I didn’t want to give away my real age.
I take it you’re turning 125 next Thursday?
I’m guessing their real birthday is probably January 1, 1970; just like every Steam user.
Source if my guess: I was born on January 1 of 1970.
January 1, 2000
Or optionally if you want to keep your birthday, just do that but with 2000.
I’d love to see some statistic showing the user birth dates spiking in the absolutely realistic years of 1900, 1945, 1969, 1970, and 2000
I deleted Facebook 12 years ago. Just join me on the fediverse like Mbin or Mastodon.
This is not my being snarky, but I bet you didn’t. I bet you “deleted it” and Facebook will happily reactivate it for you any time they want
So Zuck can boast about “hAvInG 3 bIllIoN uSeRs”
true, you can’t trust them… so who knows.
Do you do much buying and selling of used goods?
In my area, Facebook Marketplace is unparalleled, alternatives such as Craigslist don’t come close.
The Netherlands has marktplaats app for this. Our local app in our country. No fb needed.
Mastodon is pretty awful still. Microblogging in general is awful but Mastodon has some particularly (in my opinion) awful fundamental design decisions. I don’t want to hate on them, so I won’t discuss what those things are. I appreciate that it exists and hope it does see more adoption but it’s just not for me, and I don’t know that it ever will be.
Add to that that I’ve never spoken to a human IRL that even knows what it is, and it’s not because I don’t ask. And that makes social media pretty unsocial.
Facebook has a ridiculous number of things you can do with a single account. On fedi those things all require different accounts and require people to follow all those different accounts. Bonfire looks like it may be a potential solution for that in the future.
Not saying that Facebook is great, at all, but that fedi isn’t really a suitable alternative.
At the end of the day people obviously just don’t care enough about any of these problems and have no self-respect and I’ve just pretty much sequestered myself from society entirely.
Try my project Mbin.
Just lie and make up a fake birthday
I use December 31, 1969. Before Unix time.
And a fake name.
And a fake face.
I don’t think they care if its your real birthday. They just want the data. Deny them the data, don’t use the service.
Is garbage data worse than no data?
No. It means you’re still theirs and so badly you’ll even lie for them. And you don’t have the backbone to say no.
Time to delete your Facebook.
I deleted my Facebook two years or so ago already
That’s an easy.
Getting people to stop using Instagram and whatsapp is so much harder.
Fuck Instagram. Meta aside, any site that requires a data harvesting account just to view is never worth going to.
WhatsApp is the hardest… People are still using it around me… And they just assume I use whatsapp as well.
Whatsapp is the one i still feel pressure to almost use even though i deleted fb over 5 years ago. Whenever somebody travels out of country I get an invite to whatsapp that I turn down.
First they forced giving phone number, now DoB…
Btw they purged me for not providing them my phone number.
