“But it also takes a lot of energy to train a human,” Altman said. “It takes like 20 years of life and all of the food you eat during that time before you get smart. And not only that, it took the very widespread evolution of the 100 billion people that have ever lived and learned not to get eaten by predators and learned how to figure out science and whatever, to produce you.”
So in his view, the fair comparison is, “If you ask ChatGPT a question, how much energy does it take once its model is trained to answer that question versus a human? And probably, AI has already caught up on an energy efficiency basis, measured that way.”
Wasn’t technology developed to improve humanity’s quality of life? Are we being compared with it and determined as inefficient now?
Someone on Bluesky pointed out that, even if you ignore the morality of this argument, AI is trained on human content, so if we’re going to start examining the human energy cost, we’ll have to factor in the cost of every single human whose work was used by ChatGPT on top of the data center costs.
Which makes the fact that their predictive text models are incapable of original thought that much more absurd.
Y’know what uses the most resources, Sammy?
BILLIONAIRES!
…we should eat them.
I’d prefer composting and growing veggies.
you sure any veggies would be able to grow?
I am pretty positive, yes. Hair and nails alone are already good fertilizers.
I really hope that we can have a revolution and get rid of these cunts.
Idk maybe we should do something about this man.
Train him?
I wonder why nobody has Mangione’d those filthy millionaires yet.
I have no idea why people keep using an innocent man’s name to talk about murdering people.
He didn’t do anything, so saying that you Mangione someone it means you don’t do anything with him =]
do it
I’ll get this one if you take Thiel
Silicon valley was a huge source of revenue for America… And when you have one industry, or a bunch of individuals making all the money - it risks authoritarianism capture of democracy.
That’s just capitalism working as intended.
train a human
This guy has the same level of empathy as Zuck.
The humans still exist and need food, even if they are replaced by chatbots in the workforce. The comparison is therefore useless, unless you plan to murder the unemployed.
Somebody actually did the math, and even accounting for all the energy that it takes for a human to stay alive a pair of decades, it’s not even a hundredth of the energy needed to run the training of GPT-3. And GPT-4 took over fifty times that. Cf. fosstodon.org/@atoponce/116121…
RE: fosstodon.org/users/atoponce/s…oof! apply water to the burn- oh wait we don’t have any!
I really wish Sam Altman would treat himself with the dignity and efficiency he wants to treat us with.
The ideology of evil eugenicists didn’t die with Hitler, and they didn’t die with Epstein either.
Altman, Thiel, Musk, et al, need to be headed to the gallows.
creating the “ai” in the first place also required the evolution of those 100 billion people. So by that argument, he was behind before he even started, and it’s impossible to catch up
Chatbots aren’t the endpoint tho, AGI and ASI are. Imagine a future where we could disseminate custom AIs to teach kids exactly in their unique contexts. Education could be throttled and specialized according to everyone’s aptitudes.
And if the people are able to decide what future ASIs work on we could focus on massive healthcare, leading to inevitable healthspan extension. Then the rate at which we have to replace our population (and the associated spending of 20 years reteaching intelligent citizens) would be reduced as a consequence.
AI is just a tool. Tools are never rolled back, at most they’re only regulated. Why not make the best of our future with this powerful tool? Just because billionaires are getting the headlines, most of the progress is being done in academia. Maybe AI will even help facilitate reduced wealth inequality.
That assumes the AGI/ASI doesn’t have gates keeping it from people. Sorry you only get the basic model b/c you can’t afford it something better. An open, free, equally accessible AI for everyone no matter what is just not how capitalism works.
You’re assuming the alternative that billionaires, despite being a tiny fraction of the population, will be in control of such gatekeeping.
Your argument against an openly available AI precludes the existence of things like the FOSS community. Smart people who oppose capitalist power structures (i.e. anti-fascists) certainly exist.
Maybe we could use altman to fuel the ai? As charcoal?
Not that efficient since most of him is just water.
Well maybe we need to compensate for the inefficiency by including all his CEO and Billionaire buddies as well.
Oligarchs see human as disposable resources
We need to start seeing them as disposable obstacles to a better future
Aren’t humans and biological creatures in general found to be extremely efficient with energy? Given the computing power in our brains the fact it runs on so little is amazing no?
Yes, it’s disingenuous for him to bring up all the time used for humans to evolve as well. If we’re going to go that far, we also ought to include the energy/time used by the engineers who created ChatGPT, and all the energy used by plants/animals in the evolution leading to those engineers. Not to mention all the time/energy/training of all the people who created the training data over the past few centuries.
Frankly, at that point, any human artist is more “efficient” than AI - they’re able to master their field in mere decades.
