Maybe Hamas shouldn’t have massacred Israelis.
Maybe it should release the remaining hostages and surrender.
That would end the war they started.
Netanyahu has publicly said the release of the hostages wouldn’t stop the war.
Did you miss the part about surrendering? Surrendering stops the war.
No it doesn’t because Netanyahu isn’t going to leave. He’s said all of this publicly. He wants to keep troops in Gaza. So someone is going to take a shot at them and he’s going to over react again. Occupation is still war.
These are the same guys that maintained a blockade, prevented the winner of an election from taking office, and routinely bombed civil infrastructure. All acts of war. And they’re telling you they don’t consider this to be over until they say it’s over. Ask the American Indians how surrendering goes. Ask the Irish. There’s a reason other historically oppressed groups, including Jews abroad, are standing with Palestine even after October 7th.
Hamas rejects the existence of Israel, refusing even to call it by its name, instead slurring it as the “Zionist state”, just like its Iranian backers do. It manifests this rejection through terrorism.
Fuck Bibi, but anyone is his seat is going to react to the 10/7 massacre with war. This is what Hamas wanted. They don’t get to complain about getting what they wanted.
They killed their own people with this provocation.
Zionism is literally the name of the ideology. That’s as much of a slur as calling an American a Capitalist.
And no. This isn’t just a war. This isn’t simply a reaction. Nothing justifies what they’re doing. The common person in Palestine didn’t ask for anything except for Israel to take its boot off their neck.
No, that’s a lie. Iran and its “Axis of Resistance” reject the existence of Israel, so they refuse to use its name, instead calling it the “Zionist state” as a slur.
Do not lie to me, and do not make excuses for antisemitism.
You can look it up, it’s really not any different than calling the US “the capitalist state”. In the first few years Israel officially adopted Zionism. Trying to make it sound like a slur against them is part of decades of propaganda to make Israel look like the victim while it pursues a project of colonialism no different than the British Empire at its worst.
blech, no it isn’t.
Americans largely do not support this genocide.
The israeli government, most Israeli citizens, and the idf are supporting and continuing a genocide they have perpetrated for decades.
The US is one of many countries that sells weapons to Israel and provides them with aid, continuing over half a century of mutual support.
that does not make the US equally culpable as the Israeli government and military making the decision to continue genocide and defy the UN.
The Israeli government and the IDF are choosing to perpetuate this genocide.
“why isn’t the U.S. stopping Israel, as it surely could simply by pausing the constant flow of weapons?”
One of the reasons is that pausing us weapon shipments would not stop Israel at all.
The US is one of a couple dozen countries regularly supplying Israel with weapons.
Israel has a huge stockpile of weapons, and even if they had zero weapons, one country not selling them weapons would not stop the other two dozen countries selling weapons to them after fifty years or more of providing military support.
another reason is that playing this final card removes any tangible control the us has on the situation politically.
at this point, i personally think a sale of weapons pause is the right idea, but the joint Chiefs of staff highly value Middle Eastern stability that they maintain through strong Israeli military support and are not going to sever ties with their largest and most powerful ally in the Middle East without a reason to (go to the protests).
there are lots of reasons why the US hasn’t paused weapons shipments, but this article isn’t going to supply any real answers because they’re pushing a short-sighted, ill-informed, inaccurate opinion piece rather than critically and realistically analyzing the situation.
Stopping weapons sales is not the “final” card the US can play. The US could also stop vetoing UN resolutions that seek to hold Israel accountable, it could stop providing economic aid, it could even divest funds tied to Israel or go as far as sanctioning them until they stop committing genocide. Israel cannot exist in its current state without the aid and protection the US provides it. The US holds the leverage in this situation to get Israel to comply with any demand, but Joe Biden would rather lie to the media (who happily and uncritically repeat the lies) via his State department and allow Netanyahu to continue slaughtering civilians unchecked. If the US actually wanted Israel to stop murdering civilians, it could have it done tomorrow.
Exactly. The US government does not want to stop it.
“Israel cannot exist in its current state without the aid and protection the US provides it”.
israel is a technologically advanced independent country with a functioning government, they have an enormous GDP across various industries, and they receive economic and military support from dozens of other countries.
it benefits Israel to receive billions of dollars every year from the US(as it benefits the US) as a historic mutual defense ally, but Israel is in no way entirely dependent on or explicitly beholden to the US.
“If the US actually wanted Israel to stop murdering civilians, it could have it done tomorrow.”
how? there is no evidence for this.
The US is a third party to this conflict that, more obviously than ever, has limited diplomatic control over the actions of the current Israeli government and its military.
The iron dome is funded and built with American hardware. If the US disassembled it, Israel would be unable to act with impunity towards its neighbors
“The iron dome is funded and built with American hardware”
this is partly correct, as obama matched the billions of dollars israel spent on the iron dome.
“If the US disassembled it…”
the US has no right or obligation to “disassemble” another countries infrastructure any more than Nigeria has the right to disassemble the French metro; this is a non-starter.
“Israel would be unable to act with impunity towards its neighbors…”
this is entirely incorrect as Israel does not require US funding to maintain the iron dome, their military, or their aggression.
The annual GDP of Israel is something like 600 billion now, taking away the 3 billion the US gives them each year isn’t going to make the difference you think it will, even ignoring all of the other countries that fund israel.
“this is absolutely incorrect,”
I’d be interested to see your evidence @Varyk#USpol
#IsraelPalestineConflict
#Israel
#Palestine
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocidenone of those sources are at all relevant to the topic: provide evidence for either of these baseless statements:
“Israel cannot exist in its current state without the aid and protection the US provides it”.
this statement is incorrect, as explained above.
“If the US actually wanted Israel to stop murdering civilians, it could have it done tomorrow.”
this statement is incorrect, as explained above.
I didn’t mention any “sources” @Varyk
I said that I’d be interested to see your evidence. You’ve tacitly conceded that you have none.#USpol
#IsraelPalestineConflict
#Israel
#Palestine
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocideif you don’t understand the comments or you’re confused, ask for help.
which part don’t you understand or cannot find sources for?
“Israel cannot exist in its current state without the aid and protection the US provides it”.
israel is a technologically advanced independent country with a functioning government, they have an enormous GDP across various industries, and they receive economic and military support from dozens of other countries.
it benefits Israel to receive billions of dollars every year from the US(as it benefits the US) as a historic mutual defense ally, but Israel is in no way entirely dependent on or explicitly beholden to the US.
“If the US actually wanted Israel to stop murdering civilians, it could have it done tomorrow.”
how? there is no evidence for this.
The US is a third party to this conflict that, more obviously than ever, has limited diplomatic control over the actions of the current Israeli government and its military.
“if you don’t understand the comments”
@Varyk
You demand that I provide evidence for things that I didn’t say. That might seem tactically clever, but is it honest?I ask for evidence to support things that you did say and you can only repeat your assertions. Is repetition evidence?
#USpol
#IsraelPalestineConflict
#Israel
#Palestine
#WarCrimes
#CrimesAgainstHumanity
#genocideI’d prefer not to write an entire essay and nitpick points, but here’s a decent article I found: https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart Key points I’m seeing:
- 80%+ of their weapons over the last 70 years come from the US
- we are funding about 15% of their total military budget
- 50 billion in annual trade between US and israel
More importantly, the US is the world hegemon, and is committed to protecting Israel. Do you think Iran would be so restrained against Israel if US retaliation wasn’t guaranteed? The US moved an aircraft carrier into the region following Oct. 7th, do you find that irrelevant too? And to reiterate, the US provides diplomatic cover to Israel by vetoing (a power that Israel does not possess) any attempt by the international community to hold it accountable.
