Headline slightly sensationalised compared to article content. But he did say he’d go to Venezuela if he loses.
Alternative headline “Donald trump lies again”
As usual the US is doing everything it can do destroy Venezuela smh
Getting Maduro out would help Venezuela a lot. Sending Trump, not so much.
I hate Trump, but this framing is disingenuous. In the context of what he was saying, he was trying to make “a point” about South American countries sending criminals to the USA. He was claiming that if he doesn’t win the election, it would be safer to have their next conversation in Venezuela because there would be no crime there as they’d have sent all criminals to USA.
So, you know, just more of his really stupid bullshit, but he wasn’t really saying he would flee to Venezuela. For one, that would require him to believe he had done something wrong or to admit some kind of defeat, two things that I firmly believe he is incapable of doing.
Also every American country (North and South) have international extradition laws, aka they would ship his criminal ass back to prison where he belongs)
Venezuela does not, there’s not even a US embassy there.
Thought they did, maybe not. Stuck a deal for extradition / swap with the U.S. just last year apparently though. https://www.npr.org/2023/12/20/1220615028/biden-venezuela-fat-leonard
The mob speak is insane, but in reality, would this be grounds to revoke any bail/bonds he’s currently on?
Evidently many Lemmy users don’t understand that this a threat, not a promise to leave. Direct quote from Trump:
“If something happens with this election, which would be a horror show, we’ll meet the next time in Venezuela, because it’ll be a far safer place to meet than our country,” Trump said to Musk. “OK, so we’ll go. You and I will go, and we’ll have a meeting and dinner in Venezuela.”
He’s implying the violence that will be unleashed on the US by his followers if he looses will make Venezuela (a country that is currently in revolt because of contested elections) seem safe in comparison to what his people will do here.
This is a classic “mobster” threat against anyone who opposes him that he just threw out.
Venezuela is an odd choice, considering most of his kind have historically fled to Argentina.
Openly staying that he is going to flee the country… With ongoing court cases. Time to revoke that passport
But he did say he’d go to Venezuela if he loses.
He did not.
As I explained earlier today, he was commenting about crime decreasing around the world and, if Kamala were elected, it would be safer to meet the person he was speaking with in Venezuela than in the United States.
“If something happens with this election, which would be a horror show, we’ll meet the next time in Venezuela, because it’ll be a far safer place to meet than our country,” Trump said to Musk.
#“OK, so we’ll go. You and I will go, and we’ll have a meeting and dinner in Venezuela.”
Cut this shit out, dude. He said it.
I don’t know how you’ve twisted your brain in a fashion that makes apples look like pencils.
You and the media are misquoting him as saying he is going to flee the country, possibly to avoid criminal prosecution.
He is literally saying it would be safer to have a meeting in another country due to decreased criminal activity and the threat of a Harris presidency.
There’s a valid conversation to have around his statement. We could be discussing the crime rates in the US compared to Venezuela and the rest of the world. We could be looking at Harris’ record as a prosecutor and her political agenda to this point. We could easily be debunking what he’s saying to pile on more evidence that he’s a liar. Instead, the public wants to go on and on about something he actually never said or even hinted at.
Moreover, what my concern here is, the public’s ability to read comprehensively is deteriorating at a rapid pace. People are disinterested in taking the time to read an article and obtain true facts in preference of engaging with others over their feelings.
Having genuine dialog with others is more about listening than it is interrupting them and spewing your ideas. Everyone’s reading a headline and reacting without taking the time to listen to the story, digest its meaning, consider other factors and context, then responding in a meaningful, relevant manner.
I’m personally observing a world that’s becoming less interested in having real relationships. People are struggling to interact with others in real life. Ragebait is just one value in a larger more complex experience that’s changing our relationships and our reality.
There’s a lot of noise in our lives today. Most of it serves as a distraction. It’s the constant churning of the “news” and the endless instant streaming of “content” and the pings and buzzing of our devices. If it hasn’t already, this noise is becoming an addiction. Without noise, we’d be faced with calmness and focused attention.
Trump is noise. It’s noise crated by him and his brand and the media organizations and influencers pining for your attention and engagement. This story is a fabrication. The story about him slurring during the interview is a misleading observation. It’s a money maker for content creators because we need noise. Musk saying there was a DDOS attack is a lie and a distraction. It’s the noises he’s injecting into the zeitgeist to pull our attention away from something else.
We all need to be better at reading comprehension and listening. Take a moment to understand what it is you’re commenting on before you just become more noise and a cookie jar for advertisers.
You claimed he never made plans to leave the country, so I posted his exact quote where he makes plans to leave the country and now you’re claiming I’m misquoting him?
He’s a convicted felon who has yet to be sentenced making plans to leave the country. Why didn’t you mention that in your list of other factors and context we could be talking about?
Your quote was taken out of context. If you listen to the segment I’m commenting on here, it’s very apparent he’s not speaking about “leaving the country” but about crime rates. And as I said in the other thread, I’m only commenting on the short clip that I’m hearing. There may in fact be more context that pushes his words one way or another.
… and again I told you their crime rates all over the world are going way down which makes sense. Cause actually, and next time what we’ll do, if something happens with this election, which would be a horror show, we’ll meet the next time in Venezuela cause it’ll be a far safer place to meet than our country. Ok so we’ll go, you and I will go and we’ll have a meeting and dinner in Venezuela, because that’s what’s happening…
So yes, I’ll concede he is making plans to leave the country to have a meeting and dinner date in another country. If’s that’s the semantics you want to focus on, I’ll concede. The reason for him leaving the country, in the context of this conversation and the larger point he’s trying to make, is about safety and crime.
What I would infer from this is he’s pushing a false narrative about the “radical left’s agenda” to allow crime rates to go uncontrolled. I also wouldn’t take it as fact that he intends to go to Venezuela nor that he truly believes Venezuela is safer than the US. He’s being hyperbolic using a hypothetical. Which is totally on brand for him.
You admit he’s a liar, and that he’s making plans on leaving the country so why trust him when he says WHY he says he’s making those plans? Again, he’s a convicted felon who has yet to be sentenced. For being a stickler on ‘context’, you seem to be ignoring that part.
Also, are you going to edit your initial comment to admit that he did make plans to leave the country now that you conceded he did?
It’s evident that your mind is made up. You’ve chosen to reject reality in favor of your hopes and your feelings. Something must be true because you want it to be true. While I also want it to be true, I prioritize reality to inform my observations.
It’s painful to observe our comprehension of reality melting away for the benefit of the media and corporations and fascist-wannabes. They know people just see and feel what they want as long as it generates something other than nothing. I genuinely hope you’ll find a way to disconnect yourself from the twisted reality you subscribe to.
Actually, I had considered editing my comment to reflect the fact that he did not make plans to leave. It’s a hypothetical situation based on something that hasn’t happened. How you’re unable to discern that is too much for my mind to handle right now.
So yes, I’ll concede he is making plans to leave the country
I had considered editing my comment to reflect the fact that he did not make plans to leave.
You don’t get to have it both ways. How you’re unable to discern that is too much for my brain. Have a good day.
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