If they can’t outright censor it (such as if it’s off-instance) then mass downvoting is all they have left to try and control the narrative.

I’m new here and did not realize that, at first, I was only seeing .ml. I was so uncomfortable with the Russian/Chinese propaganda I created an account and ended up switching to this community mainly by accident. Glad to see my discomfort was justified.

significantly less censorship than world.

Haven’t been on this comm much eh?

Granted I may be a bit biased as a leftist but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world. Furthemore whenever I see massive Transphobic spam attacks its 9/10 from world.

The modlog just doesn’t reflect that, there’s no widespread issue on .world as far as I’ve seen in all my time in the modlog.

What I do see from .world is a bunch of moderators doing moderator things and very little admin actions, which is what you would expect from any instance of size. It’s the opposite with .ml, and that should be a huge red flag in of itself.

Are there bad mods and bad mod decisions? Sure, that’s going to happen anywhere, but I don’t see the .world admins in every comm across .world removing posts and comments critical of a certain agenda or to push a narrative, like on .ml.

As far as “transphobic spam attacks” that can happen on any instance, .world being the biggest (literally double in size from the next biggest) means it’s going to be targeted more. And again, I see it being dealt with accordingly in the modlog, in fact that’s one of the main times I do see non-.ml admin actions in there, site banning actual bigots.

Plus if .world really had a transphobe problem, ada would have defederated from it by now.

However I cannot say the same for world users/communities which are known to shut down discussion by calling it “tankie” (yes even Anarchist discussion).

Have you seriously not seen .ml tankies throw around “liberals” or “shitlibs” in the exact same way

but when I discuss my Anarchist positions I see significantly less censorship than world.

What kind of censorship are you seeing? I usually don’t hang there so I’ve only really seen their liberalist “anti-violence” suppression of Brian Thompson posting. Which honestly is enough reason to avoid, but I’m curious.

Also, agreeing from experience with the transphobia and hilarious ignorance of rabid anticommunists.

yes same, its just them whining, much like con posts do the same.

He can’t.

Unfortunately, lemmy only supports instance-agnostic links (like, that are written to link to a user’s own home instance) to a community. It has no syntax permitting for this with links to posts or comments.

If you’re using Firefox, you can install the Instance Assistant for Lemmy & Kbin, and it will modify pages on non-home instances to have a button in the right sidebar that will take you to the post on your home instance. With that, after you follow a link to a non-home-instance post, you can bounce to the corresponding post on your home instance.

Edited, but I wasn’t aware it was needed for direct posts URLs, does it not work on your client if there’s no exclamation mark?

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I think they really have no idea how unpopular their viewpoint is. If you ever go and look around at “Lemmy” based on how it looks when hosted on .ml or Hexbear, it looks pretty dramatically different. I think part of the reason the mods are so aggressive with this kind of censorship is that it creates a really surprisingly effective illusion that a lot of the world agrees with them. You can find off-instance communities where people post a counter-narrative if you search, but that’s easy to write off as “the lib instances” or something. I think they have no idea how far in the minority they are.

The name for the cognitive bias involved is “what you see is all there is.” Your brain doesn’t take account of content which is hidden from you, so if 90% of what you see is pro-Russia, and everyone there is of the opinion that anything outside of that is weird Western propaganda and distorted and fake, it’s pretty easy for your brain to run with it. And once you’re in that box you have no idea that you’re in the box. And also, a lot of propaganda frameworks like that are self-sustaining (describing any contrary information as deliberate lies or giving this huge emotional emphasis to reasons for discounting them, so it’s really hard to bootstrap yourself out of the box.)

I’m not trying to make excuses for the people who are running the operation, I have to assume that they know better. Although, maybe not. Maybe they have some other kind of dysfunction and really think they are standing up against US imperialism or something. I do also think that professional troll farms are also involved in creating the impression, too. My point is, I think the average users may be genuinely confused by these events and see them very differently from the rest of Lemmy does.

certainly,right click your profile> Settings>blocks> scroll all the way down and you will see the instance block.

I just instance blocked them, good riddance. Too bad I do occasionally have to see posts from their users on other instances.

you can instance block, just foundout by going to SETTINGS>BLOCKS> scroll down all the way to the instance option and block them there.

Option 1: Move to an instance that doesn’t federate with them, like lemmy.cafe.

Option 2: Go to the settings page on the website, and block the instance. This will stop you from seeing comms on that instance, but you will still see comments and posts by their users in other comms.

Option 3: Client-specific. If you’re using another client besides the default website, most of them have some way to block and hide all users from an instance as well, usually somewhere in the settings.

They make it extremely difficult, while still remaining on Lemmy.

PieFed makes it trivially easy. As do the older apps Sync and Connect. Otherwise you are looking at something like a custom Ublock Origin filter rule, or starting your own instance (or joining one that has already defederated from them, which almost none do).

The “instance block” is sadly misnamed as it does not block the instance, nor its users, and would be better thought of as a community mute.

PieFed is awesome for other reasons - it has a ton of features that Lemmy lacks, and is even working on features that Reddit itself did not bother with (notice how all of its features for the last many years were designed solely to increase profits, rather than enhance user experiences?). Its being built using Python rather than the extremely difficult to use Rust is really catapulting its development into overdrive.

don’t be offtopic

I occasionally see people sying this but where does it come from? Afaik Ukraine has as much of a white supremacist problem as Russia, but it is not mainstream or the majority

I think both the Lemmy main developers @nutomic@lemmy.ml and @dessalines@lemmy.ml are also the ml Admins. There are other contributors but none of them is doing this as their main job.

Ignoring the misinformation, support for genocides and authoritarian regimes, no one is afraid of their ‘opinions’.

It’s just that most .ml users are absolute cancer to discuss with

Yes, “Mao was good actually” is terrifying to me. It’s such a fresh, novel, and revolutionary concept that I feel my mind unraveling every time I see a brave ml warrior post it. Same with “war is bad so Ukraine is bad for defending against invasion.” The sheer intellect required to achieve such a unique understanding of these concepts is truly intimidating.

No one is afraid of their opinions. Everyone who has been on the fedi for a while has heard them, over, and over, and over. The mods, and the portion of the users who are grouped in with them, are campists who will defend anything places like China do, even if it is the exact same shit as the western imperialists. They also tend to spout a lot of apologia for harsh, punitive, legal systems, and police states, as long as it calls itself socialist. Hell, don’t even need to do that anymore, just have to be like “hey NATO imperialism bad!” and they will come to defend the honor of a country that is actively annexing, and colonizing, other states, because imperialism is acceptable when it isn’t the west. It is just them defending themselves, and/or liberating oppressed people, just like the US claims every time it bombs somewhere into the dirt. I have witnessed multiple instances of .ml users automatically dismissing any data from any source “western”, while claiming you aren’t capable of having a good faith argument, if you dismiss information from the CCP, in kind.

I find that the large body of .ml users are not like this, but their mods, and a significant portion of the users, namely the most commonly seen names, are very much this way. There is no argument to be had, there is no fruitful discussion here. They are in their camp, and they can’t seem to truly understand people can hate both camps, and actually not want what either offers. So why interact at this point?

Haha ok. I would never be happy sitting behind some blockade on the fediverse, unable to even see what others are saying.

There’s a difference between a veteran Lemming making a conscious choice to “see the other side for themselves” and a tentative-ex-Redditor checking the vibes of a new unknown place.

Its funny that you are so afraid of their opinions that you have to lock yourself in the basement. But you do you. :)

Lol, no. I’ve read their opinions, debated them multiple times even, and have come to the conclusion that their “opinions” are as toxic and/or dangerous misinformation as far-right “opinions”. Authoritarianism is authoritarianism whether it’s right or left shaded.

If anything, I’m afraid of the potential damage it’s doing to the Lemmy-verse.

Every person that comes here, is another person Reddit has lost and another notch against corporate social media. And that’s a beautiful thing worth protecting IMO