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Does Trump not realize that this message makes himself look bad?
I mean, he also paints himself orange and thinks it’s hot…
No. The message here is “look at how I´m having my dick sucked”
Yep. But the point is Donald doesn’t realize his dick is getting sucked by someone trying to get a favor out of him rather than just because he’s such a swell guy.
He’s a narcissist. All he sees is compliments, not the clear manipulation behind them.
Give Trump praise, he’ll do exactly what you say. Which is why he thinks Putin is his best friend. Putin is just using Trump as a convenient idiot that’ll do anything asked as long as Trump feels he’ll be complimented by it.
All he has to say is something like:
“Oh Donny, at this time your big hands and strong will are our only hope. Won’t you please bomb Iran to protect the world and become it’s hero?”
And that’s all it takes to start WW3. And Trump would post the message thinking it’s a compliment.
Still… As a European it (well…) sucks that any of our leaders would need to go this low for favors. Even if indeed they would go for 5 percent, the message should be “thank you, and now fuck off”. It is clear he sees Europe as an enemy and it is very likely this 5pcent is to drag our economies down while he saves his from the disaster he’s creating (where do you think Europeans mostly get their weapons and military equipment from?).
So cocksucker rutte (and all the spineless clique except for Spain) gonna get assfucked too
Agreed. And if it wasn’t clear, I think Trump is an idiot. He sees everyone but himself as an enemy, including a vast majority of the country he is President over. He’s not saving the economy in our country - he’s working exclusively for himself and dismantling it for his favor.
The defense money discussed in this meeting is very likely going to Trumps family or friends (like the literal 2 Billion his son recieved from Saudi Royalty) As our economy is very much on its way to another great depression, including the corruption and needless Tariffs that caused it last time.
Everyone that works with Trump gets ass fucked, because the only thing he wants is fealty and self enrichment. There is no benefit towards our country or citizens in his actions, just himself.
At the very least, the leaders of NATO understand this, and sucked his dick over this deal just to make sure the US didn’t leave NATO as Trump has made very clear he gives no fucks about. Without the US’s military backing, NATO is at immediate threat of hostilities, certainly by Russia who wouldn’t hesitate to push past Ukraine and into Europe as Putin has made clear is his goal. The leaders of NATO are simply making a deal with the devil to avoid literal hell.
It sucks you have to deal with those consequences, but at least you have a government that isn’t banning abortion to kill more of your people through sheer ignorance.
How does it make him look bad?
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It’s clear Mark Rutte is talking to Trump like he’s talking to a child. He’s buttering Trump up because it’s clear superficial gestures are enough to please him.
It does reflect positively on the influence of America, but not on Trump himself.
it doesn’t
afaik he doesn’t have a brain
This is so poorly written I have no idea if it’s sarcasm or not.
It’s written in a way for Trump to understand
Eh, looks like rutte writes English in the same way that he speaks it. Honestly I first thought that it was a shitpost, but no, it seems legit.
Rutte’s unique approach to English merely reflects the fact that his intellectual ceiling would challenge even the most ambitious root vegetable.
Emperor rutte has spoken. Well deputy emperor to trump, rutte, has spoken. NATO members all agree to destroy their societies in order to boost military spending by 150%. Traitors in member parliaments will need to be executed if they object to the empire.
At least Europes war on Russia will be worth it. Every 100 years, no one left alive to remember last failure.
By the way Rutte changed the wording in the agreement to be more vague as to what ‘allies’ means because Spain refused to agree to 5%.
This make me feels somewhat awkward.
Well … it’s good to see there aren’t just idiots in the US
Trump is getting played because of his fragile ego. Him sharing a message of a person stroking his ego is evidence of it working.
How is he getting played by the imperialist faction agreeing to up their imperialism budget (specifically what he demanded) and praising him?
Mark Rutte used to be the Dutch PM and his part in NATO is to advance the collective security of Europe, now by keeping the US on board. It’s a something for nothing.
The 5% is not binding, it’s just words on a paper, not even the US spends 5%.
Furthermore, in the negotiations, they have allowed a lot of infrastructure projects to be counted towards this percentage calculations. So, there may not be much in the way of new actual military spending, just improving the roads/rails of the agreeing countries. That seems a lot easier to sell to the folks that are further from Russia.
Spain even got an opt-out lol
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I’ve have said this before but WW3 will start because of a meme or ChatGPT.
obviously, I doubt Rutte was expecting this message to be shared. If he wasn’t a complete moron and actually doing this just to stroke his own ego, I’d actually give Donald props for leaking it, as Rutte kissing Donald’s ass makes him look terrible, and more broadly makes the European parts of NATO look terrible.
I imagine Rutte’s intent is to stroke Trump’s ego to try and keep him interested in NATO, but I feel like that’s a fool’s errand. Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone else but himself. This new agreement, with NATO signatories needing to commit 5% of their GDP, feels like a grift for the benefit of U.S. defense contractors. The U.S. cannot be trusted to actually honor their agreements anymore, so why pay more into their alliance? Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?
Well Rutte’s job is basically to keep NATO together, can’t blame him for trying. Personally I would not be sad if NATO chucked the US and told them to pack their bases all around Europe and go home. But I understand Rutte’s position.
I’d love it if that happened, but that would also mean the dissolution of NATO, so I don’t see why NATO would motion to kill itself voluntarily.
NATO could very well exist without the US in it. It’s not like the other members can trust the US to help at this point.
NATO with 0 US arms or millitary power wouldn’t be nearly as effective. The EU could have its own treaty, but it would be entirely limited in capability.
Certainly, it would be more limited in capability on paper, but now they have a big member who likes bossing the others around and is also a huge liability. Losing that would be a serious win.
The US has always been at the helm of NATO. The US Empire is the reason NATO exists, the EU is thoroughly vassalized and subservient to the US. If the US was kicked out of NATO (lol), NATO would crumble, and the EU would be forced to either trade more with Russia or China to make up for the utter loss of their position in the western imperial system. The EU cannot stand on its own, it depends on imperialism, and currently relies on the US sphere of influence to perpetuate itself.
Yeah yeah, US exceptionalism much? You would be surprised how little Europe depends on the US, but as you imply, it’s become an abusive relationship that Europe needs to get out. Russia is no alternative for the US. The reason Europe needs to sever ties with the US is that it has become too much like Russia. China? Yes Europe does a lot of business with China already, that is not about to change.
Rutte is trans-atlanticist. These people will do anything to keep the peace with the US.
They’re Joshua Wongers with diplomatic talent.
Europeans online think that Rutte is ‘masterfully manipulating’ Trump by talking to him like a 5 year old and are extremely proud of this.
Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?
Western Europe is afraid of Russia gaining influence in regions and resource rich areas that they seeks to dominate.
This new agreement, with NATO signatories needing to commit 5% of their GDP, feels like a grift for the benefit of U.S. defense contractors. The U.S. cannot be trusted to actually honor their agreements anymore, so why pay more into their alliance? Is Europe really that scared of further Russian aggression?
They’re massively investing in European defense industry, not just buying more from the US. They are scared of Russian aggression and they are scared the US will not honor NATO agreements which is why they’re committing so hard to defense spending. Also, I believe it’s 3.5% for military and 1.5% for infrastructure.
False. Europe is spending big money on American weapons. The independence story was only an excuse to get more money.
As for the Russia story, nice to see Red Scare works as good as in America when they dismantled their healthcare for the military industrial complex.
They are also spending big on domestic arms production. France will be a big winner out of this since they’ve long valued independent military arms production and the rest of Europe will want to buy French stuff (yes along with American stuff) while they get their arms production up and running. South Korea is also a big arms supplier internationally.
The reduction in US support for NATO is largely part of a pivot to focusing on Taiwan and China. The US military industry would love it if the US focused on both and kept cozy relations with europe. I’m sure they’re happy with the whole world increasing defense spending amid rising tensions, but they aren’t happy about the US scaring away customers. I hate how involved the US military is globally but acting like Trump is some mastermind of American imperialism is reductive and giving him too much credit. The thought that Europe shouldn’t be worried about Russia (the ones currently invading a European country) is bonkers.
Oh my God I can just text the president while pretending to be anyone and shape world politics
Translation: “Thanks to your stupid politics, you managed to pull EU closer and finally decide on things for Greater good.”
My sense at this point is that grotesque flattery works on Trump, but only to a point. Trump doesn’t really like anyone, the best you can do is a slightly-better-than-neutral relationship. (And at the other end he’s willing to coexist with anyone who hasn’t personally slighted him, like Kim Jong Un)
Good move TBH. Just like that, Trump likes NATO again.
America controls NATO. They would never dislike it.
If Trump took the US out of NATO, he would genuinely be remembered as the harm reduction candidate for the Global South. Sadly, Trump would never actually be anti-NATO, US Imperialism depends too greatly on it.
f Trump took the US out of NATO, he would genuinely be remembered as the harm reduction candidate for the Global South.
Lol no he wouldn’t.
He absolutely would, NATO is seen very negatively in the global south due to its constant aggression and its role in maintaining western imperialism. Just look at what happened to Libya, Yugoslavia, and even covert ops like Operation GLADIO.
How evil is NATO, stopping a genocidal Serbia.
There was immense nationalism and ethnic violence on all sides, which NATO used as justification to bomb thousands of civilians to death along with key infrastructure in order to prop up a western-friendly regime. NATO intervention didn’t help the awful situation, it only steered the outcome into the favor of the west at the expense of war crimes.
Yeah they should have been left to genocide their neighbors, how dare NATO step in. Fuckin’ imperialists imposing their “morals”.
The Albanians were also committing extreme ethnic violence against the Serbs. When NATO bombed Yugoslavia, it killed over 300 Albanian civilians and over 1700 Serbian civilians, destroyed 164 state-owned factories, and bypassed UN approval against NATO’s own charter. Not a single private, pro-western factory was bombed.
The real reason NATO bombed Yugoslavia was because Yugoslavia refused to become a colony. Yugoslavia had agreed to give up Kosovo, but wanted the FRY to retain political and economic soveriegnty, and prevent NATO occupation. NATO countered by wanting full access to the FRY’s communication, infrastructure, and territory. Yugoslavia refused, and then NATO bombed them.
NATO involvement was about economics, not a humanitarian concern. NATO wanted open and full access to as many markets as possible, even if it meant bombing those who go against them in any real way. Just like what’s going on with Israel and the US bombing Iran, and NATO countries like the UK and France assisting Israel in air defense.
NATO didn’t stop a genocide; it aided one[1][2][3].
During the latter half of [the 1990s], Yugoslav authorities engaged in a brutal counterinsurgency against the Kosovo Liberation Army. An Al Qaeda-connected extremist group armed, funded and trained by the CIA and MI6, the KLA sought to construct an ethnically pure “Greater Albania” - a Nazi-inspired irredentist project, uniting Tirana with territory in Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia - via insurrectionary violence. Come September 1998, hostilities had erupted into all-out war. A UN Security Council Resolution that month demanded the two sides implement a ceasefire.
Yugoslav military forces were duly withdrawn from the province - in turn, the KLA exploited the army’s absence to intensify its bloody rampage, seizing further territory and purging non-Albanian inhabitants. A dedicated OSCE unit, the Kosovo Verification Mission, was also created to ensure Belgrade’s ceasefire compliance. KVM was granted full, unimpeded movement anywhere they wished locally. Their presence proved pivotal not only to the KLA’s savage crusade, but NATO’s subsequent criminal bombing of Yugoslavia March - June 1999.
- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Sorry buddy, I read about your writers before the articles. Surely a group of people paid by Russia to advance Russian geopolitical aims would be unbiased. Russia Today *RT, (sorry, some capital leaked in) writers would surely be unbiased and not writing puff pieces for their objectively imperialist funders, right? Right???
It’s my belief that a nation that fell apart and had the majority of their conquests leave doesnt have a right to reclaim them. Ukraine is a sovereign nation, and so is Bosnia and Croatia and… I invite you to seeth at nations now free.
I guess Noam Chomsky and Michael Parenti are paid shills, too?
Ukraine is a sovereign nation
Ukraine may be sovereign on paper, but it’s a vassal of the US, which couped its government in 2014 (and 2004). Previously. Previously.
Yes, we know, you are preaching to the choir here, lemmy.ml.
But I’d rather we not back out of NATO, decouple trade and invade friendly neighbors all while the US continues to screw over far away countries first. At this point, backing out of NATO is not going to help our bad behavior.
After that, we can worry about not screwing with other countries so much, hopefully.
So you’d rather we remain in NATO, terrorizing the global south, fully emboldened and screwing over the world? A US without NATO is one without the main imperialist army at its beck and call.
After that, we can worry about not screwing with other countries so much, hopefully.
Guess what NATO does?
