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    Women would literally rather be stuck with a bear rather than a man they do not know. So, is it sexism? Or is there a fundamental problem (read patriarchy) that makes women scared of men.

    Do you think it’s sexist to report that men commit 90% of all rape and sexual assault?

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      So if I am being an asshole, I should make the “logical” jump that all single women are whores and sluts because majority of prostitutes are women.

      Not all men and not all women. Generalising is never good.

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        when we talk about men being dangerous, it’s not in a “LITERALLY ALL MEN ARE EVIL RAPISTS” way.

        it’s in a “treat every gun as if it were loaded” way.

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          That’s the same logic that has rounding up brown people in the US now. Some of them might be working for the cartels, so better treat every gun as if it were loaded.

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        Yes you are being an asshole thanks for noticing. Also wtf are you on about - no where does it say “ALL SINGLE MEN ARE RAPIST.”

        You saw yourself in this comic and got defensive - that “whores and sluts” line came naturally to you.

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          This is the same reaction that I had when I saw the post that says “men are rapists”. I got offended.

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        Okay not sexist at all then. Because there’s nothing racist about crime statistics about black people.

        What people might do or say in regards to those statistics is typically where the racism comes in.

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            Oof. I really shouldn’t have to explain the systemic difference between the two.

            Also once again, this comic is making the joke that a strange man could be a rapist, and that women are not interested in strange men the same way men may be interested strange women - not that all single men are rapists.

            You’re purposefully conflating this comic to the level of hating men, and then to the level of using crime statistics to perpetuate systemic racism. Brother you’ve lost the plot.

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                YES! We’re getting to the same page. The difference is the patriarchy defends itself. I’ve never seen a black person fight to defend systemic racism.

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                    Omg we’re so close! Yes they defend themselves because those statistics are being used as weapons in furthering systemic racism. Us making fun of men (once again, not happening in this comic) does nothing but damage the patriarchy, which we agree is good right?

                    To be clear, when we shit on bad men - I do want there to be nuance that we are specifically talking about bad men. This comic doesn’t need that because he’s either a rapist or he’s not - but it doesn’t matter because he’s still a stranger and that MAY be dangerous.

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                    Men, particularly the vast majority of working class men, are victims of the patriarchy even at the same time they receive privileges. There’s an unfortunate sentiment among the woke that people who happen to be part of a privileged group are bad. White people are colonizers, straight people are toxic, men are all violent sexual predators, etc. For a lot of people, it’s much easier to be woke and fight for an equal and just world when the victims of that oppression are obvious.

                    If this exact same comic was made by JK Rowling and replaced “men” with “trans women” or “trans men” the comments section would be (rightfully) shooting it down as being bigoted.

                    All that aside, from a practical standpoint it’s also worth pointing out that any sexual assault expert will tell you the vast majority happen between people who already know each other. A victim is more likely to be abused by their own family members, family friends, teachers, religious figures, youth leaders, coworkers, or significant other than they are a random stranger. Of course, it’s always dangerous to meet strangers (robbery, fraud, and more).

                    Which is important to point out because it’s a very quick jump from “women don’t feel safe because of all of these men around” to “well let’s get rid of the most violent men”. Which, oddly enough, tend to also be a part of whatever group they are trying to eliminate. Jews in pre-WW2 Germany, black men in America, communists in McCarthyism, Hispanics under Trump, Syrian refugees in Europe. It always starts with “this group wants to hurt our women and children” and ends with everyone losing rights to authoritarian regimes.