Apparently I’m now a shitlib for not buying into this disgusting tankie propaganda that it was all the Wests fault and Stalin had to ally with Hitler.
For a mod who loves to ban others for bad jacketing, they sure have no problem doing it to other anarchists.
The Ban:
The Context:
The reason I am often pissed at the democrats is due to how bad they are at actually opposing the republicans.
You’re just a ‘team blue’ maga type
If I search for “maga house”, “maga car”, “maga outfit”, I’m going to get some very specific images as a result.
Please show me an example of this “blue maga” in image form.
I hate to be defending a .ml user, and Diva of all people, but you asked so here you go:
All of this is going to get an anti-trans Democrat like Gavin Newsom elected to office. This is what people mean when they say ‘Blue MAGA’. It follows the exact same “cult of personality” populist playbook as MAGA.
I would have to very much disagree that this is equivalent to:
I’m not a party line supporter by any stretch, but equating what you posted against… This nonsense… is, at best, misleading.
More accurately though, its outright disinformation to encourage people to believe an equivalence in the cult behavior that just doesnt exist.
I will happily change my mind when I see something remotely similar to the randomly selected images that come up immediately in the results that I just posted.
Until then, “blue maga” is just nonsense.
‘shut up and vote blue if you know what’s good for you, minorities’
I see a flag for Ukraine, the american flag, etc.
I don’t see a picture of Newsom’s face on a giant flag. I see the kind of banner thats been getting hung on an overpass for half a century.
I can’t comprehend how you think those pictures look remotely the same.
I also don’t appreciate the bonus made up racism you decided to add in there.
Edit:
Just to be clear, is this palestinian maga?
Because it just looks like people supporting the Gazans to me. Your “bluemaga” example looks remarkably similar. Can you clarify?
the sign they’re flying says 'newsom’s [dick] is bigger ’ totally normal political messaging and nothing cult-like.
the trump overpass and the newsom overpass are both flying gadsten flags too, pretty much exclusively a right wing libertarian thing flown by chuds.
I agree thats weird, but its specifically related to what has been annoying Trump of late. Less about Newsom and more about trolling Trump.
Which I absolutely agree is weird messaging, btw. I hate this.
Thats not actually a gadsden flag though, if thats the one I’m thinking of. Note the extra text on top, that flag is poking fun at the gadsden flag wavers.
it’s so fucking weird, I hate it too
I think that’s just a Gadsden flag, libs have been talking about ‘reclaiming’ it for months
You tend to see it as much on Lemmy, but on Bluesky there is constantly people posting in support of Newsom as the presumptive nominee and yelling at any trans person they meet for not toeing the party line. The difference there is that the Democrats do have some folks, like Mamdani, that are clearly on the right side of history. But you have way more Schumer’s that have absolutely zero conviction to call Trump out for what he’s doing.
That doesn’t make “blue maga” any more real though, nor does supporting Newsom (ew) in any way make them equivalent to the cult of maga.
I’m all for calling out the regressive policies and political figures who are clearly in the wrong on many topics, as well as pointing it out the truth to supporters, but I’m not into disinformation campaigns. That is the type of bullshit that got us here.
It fluffing does if you’re trans!
I can only quote my trans friend/former coworker - “At least he isn’t trying to have me killed”.
I’m not here to debate Newsom, who I think sucks, his position on trans folks being one part of that. But again, calling him/his supporters equal to maga… that I cannot do.
From the perspective of an Australian, where the Democrats would be considered right-wing, I just fail to see the distinction. If you want more information, go look on Bluesky.
Lol you clearly don’t know me, scan through my posts and see if you think I’m blue maga or whatever the fuck. I fall more on the social libertarian side than anything else. I’m very critical of the dems, but I’m not also a fucking idiot who thinks that the fascist shit pile we currently have is somehow the same as the dems by any means. The dems haven’t gone full fascist… it’s pretty clear they’d also not be destroying the US or harming it’s allies…and would be supporting Ukraine. Something you clearly are against…so to me you’re a tankie who sides with maga and fascist.
“Blue MAGA” is literally the singular best example of tankies parroting fascist rhetoric and is open evidence of their not so quiet collaboration. What a perfect parallel to the original topic of this thread!
“I’m not racist because Islam isn’t a race”
Yeah you’re pretty much what I would categorize as blue maga, chauvinist, racist, but team red ‘disgusts’ you. Clearly team blue would be managing the empire better so that it could stay ‘great’
You seem to have an issue with anarchists too:
Not to shine too bright a light on this, but you kinda have a habit of finding a single sentence that out-of-context supports your position and then jumping the gun by citing it. Did you read the immediately previous sentence, where they provide that quote as a clarification of their pro-palestine position and then go on to repeatedly defend Palestinian lives and decry the actions of Israel despite their (Palestinian) religion’s general stance on the LGBTQ+ or other political and social issues? Here:
Honestly I don’t know how well I’d get along with SupraMario (they were pretty islamaphobic a year ago and don’t seem to know what anarchists actually espouse) - but this is beside that issue: it’s aggravating as heck to see these comments. You’re clearly intelligent, but you’re just too eager to respond and it keeps making you look foolish. If you’d just slow down a little and get the context in which things are said, you’d be a much more persuasive advocate for your beliefs.
I’m not an Islamaphobic, I’m just not naive to think that Islam isn’t less violent than other religions. I can support the people trapped under its weight, while still denouncing the religion…hell I feel that way against most religions because of how oppressive they are. This doesn’t make me somehow a religious-phobic of one religion, I just don’t like that people are naive of said religion because it’s being currently at war with itself and anyone that doesn’t agree with it, and tons of innocent people are dying under it. It doesn’t give it a pass.
The Christian right is doing the same shit, sans the beheadings and stonings of women and LGBTQ+, here in the USA with removal of LGBTQ+/womens rights, and everyone is in agreement that it’s fucked up…yet the same people will defend islam???
Please make that make sense.
I should say that after a review of your post history I’m quite sure we’d get along, I really only included that as an allusion to magnanimity. Religion is a difficult topic, all too often the discussion of any major trend amongst it is rebutted with specific examples of contrary behavior from a subset of the group. Maddening.
the original comment they responded to in that thread was this:
moving the goal posts to ‘hate crime’ doesn’t change that point.
‘Israel’ and its US accomplices are the #1 murderer of trans people in the world right now, statistically speaking, even if it is indirect.
SupraMario can say that that israel ‘sucks’, but then redirecting to ‘but hamas,’ or ‘Islam in general bad’ doesn’t bolster that position. Maybe they actually don’t like seeing US taxes get turned into dead children, but considering how strongly they feel that the west is best I’m not holding out hope.
They are not claiming that there must be a hate crime for something to be valid, just that the initial comparison is inherently foolish, and they are elaborating their position by using hate crimes as an example. It’s a passable application of reductio ad absurdum.
They explicitly clarify that their position is the direct opposite of what you’re presenting it as.
You’re doing it again, Diva.
doing what? they do the same to me every time they roll up to call me a tankie.
the point was that the US and its Israeli proxy have the most dead trans people on their hands right now due to killing civilians indescriminately.
I don’t see what the comparison to Russian soldiers gets you in that quote, you realize that a war is different from a genocide of a captive population, right?
The initial premise is that there’s been many trans deaths in Gaza. This is undeniable - that’s just statistics. According to Hamas, there’s been about 65,000 deaths in the genocide thus far. So it holds that there have been a horrifyingly large number of trans Palestinians killed.
The new premise as presented by SupraMario is that this is not the most deaths of trans people due to a conflict in the world right now, due to the war in Ukraine. The best count of confirmed deaths for Russian soldiers in Ukraine is around 80,000 (it is likely much higher, as their casualties are about 10x that number - but this is a very conservative measurement using only russian figures). By the same assumption as above, many of those 80,000 dead were trans. That’s just statistics.
80,000 is larger that 65,000
I’m not sure how the political situation leading to someone’s death changes their gender orientation.
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I’m sorry, I don’t really know what to say beyond that. It’s pretty self explanatory.
doing what?
You’re seizing sentences entirely without care for the context and presenting them as evidence for your position. It reflects badly on your commitment to a good faith discussion, as it keeps happening, and has been repeatedly demonstrated.
That’s the amount they’ve been able to confirm and count, not including all the indirect deaths caused by the enforced famine and widespread destruction of all civil infrastructure, it’s in the hundreds of thousands.
it also feels like whataboutism, especially to have been bringing up military casualties in a peer conflict rather than a genocide of a captive population. Reducing them both ‘conflicts’ also kind of minimizes whats happening in Gaza.
What good faith discussion? the one that started with people calling me a tankie?
Says the person literally doing a “but Ukraine, Nazis” so russia ok to kill and take over Ukraine.
I’m actually opposed to all inter-capitalist conflicts. Ukraine may have a bunch of Nazi gangs running wild, but I don’t think it’s ‘ok’ to invade. It just gets more people killed and the situation spirals out of anyone’s control. I can understand the rationale, but there’s also other motivations.
got any more thoughts to share about anarchists, or maybe thoughts about NATO destroying Libya or US invading Iraq?
Lol what the fuck
Nazi gangs running around killing people with no prosecution is bad; a brave take I know. Invading to ‘stop’ them is also bad.
There’s plenty of reasons Russian capitalists go along with the invasion and it’s not because they’re opposed to nazis on principle.
How is this difficult to understand?
Yea that makes me racists because I’m not a hamas supporter while also not supporting Israel? Lol try harder.
Islam is a violent religion that doesn’t support LGBTQ+ rights or womens rights…those are facts.
‘not racist’, you just have your finger on the pulse of the Islamic hive mind 👍
want to tell me more about how you feel about anarchists?
https://fiqhcouncil.org/fatwa-regarding-transgenderism/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_people_and_Islam#Public_opinion_among_Muslims
You really got some strong blinders on there.
I see the entirety of your political knowledge is America
the person I’m replying to said that I was a tankie for being insufficiently critical of Republicans, go talk to them if you have an issue with people being US-centric
What does that even mean? It’s sure not an explanation for how the public record of your actions (and oft expressed opinons) appears to wildly differ from the values you’re claiming to hold…
What does ‘team blue’ maga mean?
The guy I was responding to has in this very thread said:
In response to criticism of ‘the west’: ‘you don’t like it? leave’
That’s like something I would unironically hear from a republican
Upholding ‘western civilization’ because capitalism somehow lifts people out of poverty, again this could easily come from a maga republican, this person just happens to be on team blue.
For me ‘blue maga’ are the people who are western chauvinists but act like they’re above it all because they voted for ‘the good guys’ running the soul harvester.
Is being an anarchist somehow contingent on passing a geopolitical opinion litmus test? I organize with anarchists, I shit on the russian government all the fucking time for being a capitalist shithole. I shit on the US government all the fucking time for being a capitalist shithole. I happen to have ended up living in the US due to the various political upheavals in mine (and my parents) lifetimes. As a result I tend to criticize the US more directly as I am not a fan of my taxes getting turned into dead children abroad.
It means, “If I say this, you can safely ignore anything else I have to say”
I wish we could just ignore these people, but disinformation is contagious.