And that’s the story of why I switched to Arch <3
Obligatory Ubuntu sucks message
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I currently try Bazzite, which is a gaming focused fedora-atomic spinoff. I think this is finally my distro to switch the desktop from windows.
Proxmox nagging subscription message on login be like
If you’re using proxmox in a production environment and making money it doesn’t cost much at all compared to VMware. I see it as helping fund production of software that right now still seems very solid
There are also very easy ways of making the nag screen go away.
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts?id=post-pve-install
But yes if you’re running this in prod, pay for it. It’s not expensive and way less then Broadcom VMWare…
Proxmox devs are so close to making it a nice experience for homelabbers but they just leave a fresh install mangled so badly you need a helper script to give you sane settings. Not to mention if you make an Ubuntu vm with default settings it won’t boot. Plus the Linux user elitism on the forums. I want to like it more so much
Preach, in using proxmox myself but they still haven’t fixed bug when you install it from ventoy it tries to boot system from ventoy when system already installed on main drive, resulting in kernel panic, this bug still persists since 8.* Versions, and i have to fix it manually every time i install proxmox on another second hand pc/laptop for my homelab, for people who think it’s ventoy issue i write that i didn’t have this bug with any other distro, not even with god forsaken manjaro didn’t had this bug when i tried it three years ago
Apparently you can turn those off but I haven’t bothered.
This script does it as one of the steps https://pimox-scripts.com/scripts?id=post-pve-install
I think it’s like 2 lines in a config you gotta comment out
Aside from install and the first welcome screen I don’t recall seeing anything.
Is it really like that or is this a joke
Just on LTS. Desktop users would only run LTS for 6 months or so. Right, and LTS only releases once every two years. I used LTS on my work laptop at my previous company. Great feature, but I can see it wouldn’t be as necessary for the end users. Hey, when everything is great, women have to find something to nit pick, am I right?!
Last I used Ubuntu you do indeed get an ad every time you apt upgrade You can still go into some config file and remove it though
When was the last time you used Ubuntu though?
Some people could say “last time I used Ubuntu it was full of Amazon ads!” But that would have been like 13 years ago
Pretty sure my work laptop tells me every time that I’m not getting some security upgrades, because I’m not using Ubuntu Pro.
I believe, there’s some semi-reasonable justification, that they’re only holding back upgrades for packages which they wouldn’t normally maintain anymore, but yeah, it still looks horrendous from an end-user perspective.
I’m an ubuntu user and it was like that for a brief period but then they removed it after an uproar. I think. I double check it once I’m at my laptop
I got a ThinkPad with Ubuntu 24.04 preinstalled and I haven’t seen a single Ubuntu Pro ad. But I saw them a lot on my old laptop with 22 installed. So either they’ve changed their ways or I suppose it’s possible Lenovo has preconfigured some settings.
Edit. 24.04 LTS
It’s LTS only. If you moved off of LTS, you wont’s see it again.
I don’t recall ever seeing such an ad in Ubuntu. Totally possible I wasn’t paying attention or I saw it and forgot.
It came up once at the initial install and once when I used the shell, then never bothered me ever again iirc.
Why won’t they leave me alone!
It’s for LTS releases only. So you rarely see it on desktop, but for sure will see it on servers. My previous job, I ran LTS on my work laptop and would laugh at everyone always getting a forced update right before scrum. This new job, I have to use WSL on this Windows laptop and guess what, I’m in forced update hell. I can understand that for some(or most) the pro message would be annoying, but I’d rather see that pro message 100 times a day then get a forced update at random times. Especially right before meetings.
Hi. I’m a sysadmin as part of my day job.
I’m here to tell you that there’s a local group policy that will, with almost 100% certainty, override the policies set by active directory.
The issue is that you need to be a local admin to change those settings. If your IT department was smart enough (or dumb enough, depending on your perspective) to give you local admin, then it’s possible to go in and change settings that will give you control again.
There’s more settings than I can reasonably put into a Lemmy message, but I’m certain you can use your favorite search engine to find “local group policy settings for Windows update” and adjust them to your liking.
There’s a lot of nuance when it comes to this stuff, and I can’t guarantee the outcome. No matter what, good luck with it.
Thanks for the info. If I ever get upgraded security privileges, I’ll be sure to look for it.
just use Debian.
or even Linux Mint
I love how in Garuda linux, the same command as
sudo apt update;sudo apt upgradeis justyay. Like “Yay, I’m upgrading my system!” Makes me happy when I run it even though it is a bit like pulling a slot machine lever for if it’s going to break something in my system. My plasmashell environment only recently got fixed. It was crashing like crazy for about 2 weeks.Intolerable, scammy OS. Everything good in Ubuntu these days can be traced back to other projects, such as debian/Gnome/KDE. Whatever Canonical adds to that is just an attempt to lock you in their ecosystem or wring money out of you.
Just use debian instead.
I haven’t given them anything and have been using desktop for almost 3 years now. I run Ubuntu server at work without any issues either. I signed up for pro for free on my home desktop and didnt have to pay anything.
Where do they attempt to get money from me? Asking because I’m legitimately not sure.
3 years, so I guess you have caught the Linux virus around that time as well?
They have a history of showing ads and sharing user data with amazon: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks
Some of the other things they tried are a bit difficult to judge, but I lost my trust and count them as lock-in attempts. These include:
- snap packages (for real, just move over to flatpak already like everyone else!)
- mir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software)
Notable good parts that I have not mentioned, but maybe should out of fairness:
- unity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(user_interface)
- I also think canonical was among the first to try and build some form of Linux mobile OS with some interesting ideas
Back when I used ubuntu on my server, it kept telling me there were additional security updates locked behind ubuntu pro.
Not sure why a message like that would even exist on a free system that’s supposed to be secure, so I switched to Debian just to avoid the abusive/corporate nonsense altogether.
Couldn’t be happier.
Yeah, all the good parts of Ubuntu have been backported to Debian years ago.
What are they?
I don’t know what Maestro is referring to, but Ubuntu has really good out of the box hardware support. Also it streamlined the installation process. Start it as a live CD, look around, if you like it, install it from the live environment. Generally they improved usability.
Live graphical installation and live environment has been a thing on fedora, suse, mandrake and a lot of distros since early 2000s. Ubuntu didn’t invent that.
I thought Ubuntu was one of the first. Something arround 2005. I am not sure though.
Better out-of-the-box hardware support, in my experience. We have a machine learning server at work, it didn’t see the GPUs on Debian Bullseye with the driver versions specified by the manufacturer, but worked perfectly with Ubuntu Server out of the box.
A distribution that is preconfigured by professionals has great value in a practical setting, even if that value has diminished in the eyes of the kind of person that Lemmy attracts. If I had tried to get Debian working by overruling the manufacturer’s instructions, I’d have to take responsibility for it, both its maintenance and the downtime and potential damage if I had fucked something up. With Ubuntu, I get to delegate at least part of the responsibility to Canonical (while covering my own ass), and that’s something you can’t backport.
This was five years ago, but yes, better out of the box hardware support. I tried installing Debian on my MacBook and Debian (or the Debian installer, don’t remember) booted to a black screen. Ubuntu worked out of the box for everything but the webcam and I still use it to this day.
In case you wanted your MacBook camera back, this worked like a charm for me on Ubuntu.
Mine was a Pro but I did follow similar if not the same steps. For whatever reason I couldn’t get it to persist over reboots but I did get it working for a while. Didn’t need it really on that laptop.
Thanks though!
Or mint, if you’re a newbie
Honestly, i don’t like debian and it’s derivatives because they focus on stability, and that means packages in the repos get outdated really quick. I’d love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.
Not Debian, but closer if you haven’t seen it.
It’s called Debian Testing.
Debian testing is not rolling. Sid/unstable is.
What about debian SID?
That’s testing my patience.
I have been loving Linux mint with KDE plasma! Best of both worlds
You can always use sid. Or debian stable but you do everything that needs bleeding edge in a distrobox.
I know it’s not exactly what you’re asking for but fedora is reaaaally nice. I don’t think I’ve had a single “unstable” package and it’s kept up to date really well. The only concern I have with it is red hat, I’m just hoping they don’t decide to enshittify
True, fedora is both up to date and stable. The main reason i came to arch anyways was the AUR, ArchWiki and the need to spice things up a bit. I also like how customizable the whole distro is. Because it’s basically a house’s materials and the blueprint, i can make whatever the hell i want to it :)
I’ve been using Fedora for 3 years now…loved the dnf way of dealing with packages and the upgrades were painless…the only thing that bothers me is my nvidia card…I have issues with games on steam and every update seems to mess with the nvidia kernel module somehow…so…
What issue? I switched a friend to fedora KDE wayland and installed the rpmfusion drivers and it’s been fine (40 series)
They’re mostly issues with steam and games… Steam app does not launch with the dedicated GPU…same with games…once I force it to use the nvidia card, games get worse and some of them don’t even launch… Same games I used to play when I had Ubuntu on my machine (my dell laptop came with Ubuntu 18.04 pre installed)
How did you install the drivers?
On Fedoraa, I followed this guide from fedora forum, installing them from rpmfusion…the akmod something…
Im in the same boat and I regret buying NVIDIA.
I’m not a gamer but NVIDIA issues rear their head on Wayland mostly for things that need 3D rendering like Bambu Studio and even Electron apps like Slack, Spotify and VSCode.
Oh and also trying to get hardware video decoding working on Firefox is a pain. I’m now at the point where full screening a video just causes Firefox to immediately crash.
Definitely getting AMD next time but I’m a long ways off upgrading my NUC, it’s 8 core i7 with 64gb of ram so will serve my dev needs for a long time
Yeah, my next PC will definitely be AMD but I’m also not buying a new machine for a while…
If you’re using Linux for gaming, why not try Bazzite? It’s immutable, which is… Contentious. But it’s one of the best plug-and-play distros for gaming, with Nvidia support right out of the box.
I’m not just using it for gaming…I use it mostly for work … but I wanted to play a game or two eventually…that’s why I picked a general distro like fedora
I’d love a distro that combines a debian base and the rolling release model of arch.
Debian Unstable.
True, the apt packages can get outdated (or are already outdated at release time :) ). But tbh, for me that mainly affects the desktop environment these days and KDE is already pretty neat anyway. The CLI tools I use don’t change as much anymore, and the GUI tools are usually available as a flatpak so up-to-date.
LMDE
That has ALWAYS been the case. I dont know why people are surprised now… ubuntu has alqays been backed by canonical. And it has always been based on the work of debian. What did people expect?
People have always been saying to just skip the corporate bullshit and go straight to the source… debian
Unfortunately there was a very loud group of people online shitting on debian, saying that it’s too difficult or user friendly or whatever… may have been true 10 years ago, but not anymore
I just set up a new home lab server and my first instinct was the latest Debian.
… Seemed fine to me.
That’s why I switched to Ubuntu. It gives me the safe corporate vibes while using Linux.
I just dont feel safe without a random corporate office worker having full access to my device.
Why not RHEL then? It even has “enterprise” in the name!
I like the animal wallpapers that come by default
Okay, sure, but how often does it spam ads?
Does it keep asking me to register for something that either shouldn’t need registering or exist at all? Does it tell me to subscribe for a service every time I open up the terminal?
We all need one or two ads, as a treat.
So at work they want to switch all our servers from Debian to Ubuntu and now I read this? I’m so confused right now…
If you have pro enabled on an LTS version of Ubuntu, then you get live security updates, too include the kernel, as well as security updates for 10 years. Handy for developer workstations though. These people are whining and crying when desktop users rarely use the LTS version.
I’m not so sure about that when looking at stats
On Steam you can see Mint, which uses the LTS, Ubuntu 24.04 itself, the snapped version of steam (could be used anywhere, only Canonical has access to those stats)
And on the snaps I maintain I see this. The LTS releases seem to be used the most
Color me shocked snap steam users are on 24.04. 61 active devices. Very representative I’m sure.
A small sample size is better than “most people probably”
Interesting, you think the normal case is that people don’t upgrade their devices. I wouldn’t have expected that from someone in 2025.
Stuff like that is a major reason why I switched to Debian on my servers.
The abusive bullshit needs to stop.
I was annoyed too when I saw the message, but, if I understood it correctly, it’s a matter of widening the scope of the LTS version. The extra packages would only be updated on the next release, or are already updated if you don’t use LTS. The message make it seem like they are withholding security patches, but it has always been like that and nobody cared. We just want everything to be updated, even if it’ll make no difference.
This is why I switched back to Debian Stable on my servers, can’t deal with this shit.
Also the fact that if you’re not up to date on updates, you can go fuck yourself as far as Ubuntu is considered. Debian will let you upgrade from any version without complaints
Yep 100%. Ubuntu did this once, googled it, and said aloud “Ah hell no!! …” Between this and Snaps I was like ok I’m done. Started researching things like Mint and PopOs. Decided to just stick with Debian. Especially since ProxMox is basically just specialized Debian designed for KVM virtualization.
Yeah I also had a similar problem with updates. Had an old Ubuntu vm that I could not get to upgrade without lots of pain. It’s like they were trying to piss me off.
My current plan is to try, how you say…CachyOS?
Mainly, I want a clearer idea of what the “fork bases” are, so that when I inevitably run into some problems, I can google “How do I prevent window docking in Plasma” or “How do I prevent window docking in Arch”. Not, “How do I prevent window docking in ObscureCachyFork875”.
I think I’ve had several attempts on “simple” distros, and unfortunately I think the trend of trying to simplify things for me has just cut off customization options that irk me to no end.
CachyOS is Arch. It’s close enough that any searching about how to modify it will be applicable. You can even install Arch and apply the same modifications that CachyOS has. My personal experience is that it just works. I moved from Bazzite, an immutable distro wasn’t for me.
I am literally running Ubuntu right now and I don’t get this comic. I have never been asked to subscribe to Ubuntu Pro, if I have it was noninvasive that I didn’t notice.
It’s only LTS. Desktop users rarely use LTS. Great to have live kernel updates on a developer workstation and servers though.
Thank you for educating me, but this makes less sense now. The only people who should/need to run LTS are people we a specific reason for staying on an older OS. And if that’s the case you should no what you are getting into.
Exactly, it’s just people finding an excuse to complain about. It’s more like an extension of the Unix wars or the editor wars or the browser wars. People have to find a reason to justify their choice.
