• BassTurd@lemmy.world
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      I prefer lowercase with hyphens, but I’m transitioning into a team that does everything camelCase, which is the second best case, but I still strongly dislike it.

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      Hyphens > underscores for filenames because all web standards prefer hyphens so if you ever want to network your files its a much smoother experience!

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        This is what I need, an explicit reason that makes one choice better than another. If hyphens make for a smoother experience, then I’ll reconsider my default behavior.

        Thanks for pointing out this benefit.

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    not sure why the default behavior is this:

    file\ name\ with\ a\ bunch\ of\ spaces

    instead of this:

    "file name with a bunch of spaces"

    but you can just press " before pressing tab to auto-complete, and it will use the 2nd form

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      Because quoting requires token expansion (e.g. ~ to /home/you). Escaping gives you a much shorter path in that case.

      That said I’m with you, full quoted paths read better to me.

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      I mean, at least in Bash tools like ls do use quotes by default:

      $ ls
       filename_without_space  'filename with space'
      

      But yeah, tab expansion uses backslashes, sadly.

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    The number of keystrokes needed to type an underscore is the same that you need to type backslash space, so I don’t see how underscores are in improvement

  • katy ✨@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    the struggle between spaces in filenames look cute and oh fuck what’s the code to reference a space in a filename in terminal?

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    I very intentionally have all my code in Personal Projects 🥰 and Work Projects 🏦 directories so I can find bugs in the handling of file paths.

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    Now I’m imagining a shell that looks iteratively through arguments to find where quotes would make total sense

    $ ls
    my victims.ods
    $ wipe -f my victims.ods --thorough
    

    So the shell would go like

    1. wipe → command name found, ok
    2. -f → no file in the current directory starts with that, skip
    3. my → matches a file, keep in memory…
    4. my victims.ods → full match, but missing quotes!
    5. Prompt user:
    Filename "my victims.ods" found without quotes. Choose:
    [a]dd quotes this time
    [A]lways add quotes (dangerous)
    [n]o quotes today please
    [N]ever offer adding quotes again
    [t]ell me what could possibly go wrong when I choose to always add quotes
    [P]unch the person who proposed this feature
    
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      For interactive use, tab-completion essentially makes this a non-issue, because shells add escaping in the appropriate places.

      For scripting, where spaces are harder to deal with, unfortunately there’s just not much you can do; your two options are basically to learn all of your particular shell’s patterns for dealing with whitespace in filenames, or only write scripts in something other than a POSIX shell.

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        Scripting isn’t the issue, but for tab completion: the boundary is often at a space or parenthesis so that you need to type the backslash + char to continue tabbing to completion

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          Believe me, whitespace-correct scripting is absolutely an issue.

          You’re right that it’s annoying when filenames diverge right at a character that must be escaped.

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      They’re annoying to deal with when interactively using command-line shells, especially so when pasting unquoted and unescaped file paths, doubly especially so with Bash where parameter expansion makes no goddamn sense if you know at least one other programming language

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        Example of how parameter expansion matters?

        Generally if you are pasting file paths there is a better way to do that. Use find with exec, or xargs, or a for loop. Or, get the list in Vim and escape (quote) every line at once. Unless you have double quotes in the filename too (which is actually a crazy thing) it shouldn’t be a big deal.

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          Expansion matters because using parameters without quotes automatically splits words, and IIRC a quoted array parameter can still be split into its members — as opposed to Zsh, where word splitting doesn’t happen unprompted and quoted array parameters are flattened into a single string.

          Generally if I want to run $HOME/random executable with spaces.exe through Wine in a terminal I copy the path in Dolphin (CTRL+SHIFT+C, or CTRL+ALT+C idr) and paste it, within quotes if needed (the four extra key inputs are the annoying part).

          I find that much faster than manually typing find "$HOME" -name "random executable with spaces.exe" -type x -exec wine "{}" \;, or opening an editor to insert backslashes.

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            Why on earth not just type wine ~/random and then hit tab to autocomplete? Or you could do

            wine `echo random*`
            

            AFAIK, if $file is a filename with spaces, then some_util ${file} will not split the filename.

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              If the path to the dir is longer than $HOME, say, $HOME/Tools/modding/hd2-audio-modder/wwise/v123456789_idr_but_its_a_long_one/random file name with spaces, it makes more sense.

              I’ll try using the braces syntax, if it does prevent word splitting I wasn’t aware of it, though it’s still slightly inconvenient (3 key inputs for each brace on my kb) and I’d probably still use quotes instead if I had to use Bash and had the file path in a variable for some reason.

              … though at this point I’m probably overthinking it, atm I don’t recall better examples of my distaste for Bash expansion shenanigans.


              Did some testing, here’s what I found.
              Beware, it devolves into a rant against Bash and has little to do with the original topic - I just needed to scream into the void a little.

              # Zsh
              function argn { echo $#; }
              
              var='spaced string'
              argn $var
              # Prints 1: makes sense, no word splitting here
              
              var=(array 'of strings')
              argn $var
              # Prints 2: makes sense, I'm using a 2-wide array where I would
              #           want 2 arguments (the second one happens to have
              #           a whitespace in it)
              
              # Bash
              function argn { echo $#; }
              
              var='spaced string'
              argn $var
              # Prints 2: non-array variable gets split in 2 with this simple reference;
              #           I hate it, but hey, it is what it is
              
              argn ${var}
              # Prints 2: no, braces do not prevent word splitting as I think you suggested
              
              var=(array 'of strings')
              argn $var
              # Prints 1: ... what?
              
              echo $var
              # Prints array: ... what?!?
              #               It implicitly takes the first element?
              #               At least it doesn't word-split said first element, right?
              
              var=('array of' strings)
              argn $var
              # Prints 2:
              


              Upon further investigation:

              # Bash
              mkdir /tmp/bashtest ; cd /tmp/bashtest
              touch 'file 1'
              touch 'file 2'
              
              stat file*
              # Prints the expected output of 'stat' called on both files;
              # no quotes or anything, globbing just expands into
              # 2 arguments without *word* splitting
              
              files=('file 1' 'file 2')
              stat $files
              # stat: cannot statx 'file'
              # stat: cannot statx '1'
              # WHY? WHY DOES GLOBBING ACT SENSIBLY WHEN ARRAYS DO NOT?
              

              I get that the Bash equivalent to Zsh’s $array is ${array[@]}, but making $array behave like it does in Bash has no advantage whatsoever.
              … IS WHAT I WOULD SAY IF THAT WERE TRUE! YOU ALSO HAVE TO QUOTE "${array[@]}" BECAUSE WE LOVE QUOTES HERE AT BASH HQ!

              # ... continued from before
              stat "prefix ${files[@]}"
              # stat: cannot statx 'prefix file 1'
              # (regular 'stat' output for 'file 2')
              

              While this behavior doesn’t make much sense to me, it also doesn’t make sense for me to write that “prefix” within the quotes in the first place, right?
              YES. BECAUSE SPLITTING IS NOT WHAT YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU PUT STUFF IN QUOTES.

              Sorry, I’ll stop.

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                My bad, I was thinking of zsh. And I think it’s configurable there too so may not behave that way according to your settings. But it is at least the default on Mac.

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                  I use Zsh too, though at this point is becoming detrimental to my (already limited) Bash skills because of features like the ${^array}{1,2,3} syntax which I use in some scripts of mine, which in turn I wouldn’t dare try to translate to Bash.

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    smells like skill issue tbh

    tools which cant handle being installed/run on directories with spaces are so annoying

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        I vaguely remember zsh in Manjaro (by default) having a tab completion that automatically added the slashes.
        Never set it up myself though.

        But I really hate having to worry about quoting my file variables in scripts.
        So much, that after a certain complexity, I just give up the script and make the thing in C++.


        Oh, and if I make a script that doesn’t handle file names properly (because it’s not required in that specific use case), I make sure to delete it after use, to prevent mistaken use later, which would otherwise cause more headache than just having to rewrite a script.

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          You can just start the path with a quote and it will auto complete with spaces. I spend a lot of time correcting files with spaces replaced now. The spaces are better. I think music is the most annoying, since I like to use tools like EasyTag to extract metadata from filenames.

          So please stop.naming_files.like_this.its_stupid

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            You can just start the path with a quote and it will auto complete with spaces.

            Oh, you’re right. I just tried it out and it worked the same way.
            I wonder what gave me the misconception the it doesn’t by default.