Good.
If they’ve done nothing wrong then there’s no reason to hide.
I bet some of them drive infowarrior trucks.
I bet half of them where on Jan 6 lists
I wonder how kidnappy the kidnappers would be if they faced justice.
when this is over they should all go to jail. fuck em.
but I’m already pissed knowing that if democrats ever get back on power, they will do nothing, doubt they’ll even reduce ICE’s funding.
Yes, it’ll all be about “unity” and “healing”.
Note that even in Germany post WW II, where a real effort was made and at least the official line was uncompromising, the large majority of Nazis and their ideas in politics, society, law, industry GOs and NGOs died slowly of old age over the next 50 years. Without that effort, even a future Democratic president (if even possible) would just be a waiting game for the next Trump.
nothing heals a nation like not having any fascists.
Tennessee Rep. Marsha Blackburn wants the identities of federal officials carrying out President Donald Trump’s deportation campaign to remain secret for security reasons. To that end, she introduced the Protecting Law Enforcement from Doxxing Act, which would make it illegal to publish the name of a federal law enforcement officer with the intent to obstruct a criminal investigation or immigration operation. Skinner, for his part, has proposed the opposite: to publish as many names of the officers and their collaborators as possible.
This list is for future prosecutions, and as such doesn’t run afoul of this proposed law.
So we are already at the point where ice agents will be put in prison?
They’re certianly afraid of it. The situation is not nearly as rigged as they want you to believe, that’s why they’re trying so hard to make it so
I just won’t blame the ICE agents for it, I’ll blame those that make decisions that lead to bad outcomes. This website doxxing ICE is a waste of time and energy. In my opinion its stepping backwards as well.
You don’t blame the ice agents for assaulting and kidnapping people?
No because they have been convinced they are being good citizens by doing it. They aren’t evil people being evil for shits and giggles. I will allow them the chance to redeem themselves and I will offer them forgiveness when the time comes, just like I would anyone else.
Internet purity tests just dont work out in real life. People dont live mistake free lives, nor do they ever stop learning.
No because they have been convinced they are being good citizens by doing it. Honestly, fuck you, germ !
I appreciate the Mac Miller reference.
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It doesn’t matter that they’ve been convinced. I have access to all the same media, and I haven’t been convinced to join in with abusing people.
That’s because I have good Critical Thinking Skills, and I use them, especially to guide my morality to follow what I know is right, and not just what my worst emotions tell me. If I start to feel bigoted towards someone, I have the self-awareness to recognize it, and direct my thinking in a better direction.
MAGAs, and other stupid people, just accept their bigoted feelings, and act on them. Good people will suppress those feelings, and substitute moral and ethical thinking instead, and train their brain to think that way. It’s harder that just reacting to your emotions, but becoming a mature, positively-comtributing member of society takes effort.
So I don’t accept excuses like they needed the money, or they were only following orders, etc. They knew what they were signing up for, and most, if not all, did it because they saw a chance to wield evil power over vulnerable innocent people.
They are evil people, and defending them is evil as well.
You dont have access to the same media they do, thats not how it works with technology these days. Honestly, all I see is you trying to convince yourself you are a good person. Thats fine and all, but doesn’t help society much. Its a very selfish reaction to what’s happening now to use it to highlight what a good person you think you are, and what bad people they must be.
In case you missed it:
I see extremely poorly trained and confused ICE agents. They seem somewhat scared as it goes on too. Every person in that video is a victim of what’s going on with american leadership.
with the intent to obstruct a criminal investigation or immigration operation.
Intent is often one of the hardest things to prove in court cases anyway, often requiring additional sources of information to assess state of mind (mens rhea). At least, in a society where law matters. That said, if we assume US law matters at all (which you should never assume considering its historical actions), the stated goal of the site is for future prosecutions, as you’ve said and I agree.
Need all of their names
I think a lot aren’t even ICE, especially the mall ninja looking motherfuckers in Amazon ICE and police vests/patches. They’re just ass holes looking to hurt someone brown under the guise of “immigration enforcement”. I’m expecting a day very soon where someone kills one trying to kidnap their SO or child. Only a matter of time.
It’s a cruel twist of fate that the only ICE agent who doesn’t hide their face is Kristi Noem.
She has hidden her face behind a plastic mask permanently sewn on
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Funny how Reddit doesn’t like this.
Because its hard to argue the point of the website isn’t violence. At best I think we would have to admit it’s likely to at least have the side effect of violence.
Lemmy has this thing where one person goes “sometimes violence is necessary” and then their replies are about attacking people not defending. This concept that we need to be bigger and tougher than fascism is simply absurd, and focusing on individual ICE agents is missing the whole point.
Fascism requires censorship and Reddit is popular enough to facilitate the regime.
I would expect a website to censor incitement to violence.
Or am I supposed to believe this doxxing site is just purely informational and light hearted?
Then what’s the whole point we’re missing?
That there isn’t much difference between an ICE agent and you, and they aren’t the ones making decisions anyways. We all have the same enemy.
Who has the same enemy? ICE and me? That’s simply not true. ICE’s enemy is anyone Trump hates, while my enemy is ICE ,Trump, and MAGA.
Capitalism, corporate elites, political elites, billionaires, etc. Take your pick.
Those aren’t ICE’s enemies, they’re ICE’s leash-holders.
If you think ICE agents are going to be the winners in all this then boy do I have a bridge to sell you.
I have never kidnapped any innocent children. I am completely unwilling to kidnap innocent children. That makes me very different.
Yes, surely you are a good boy. The bestest boy. Good for you. I’d pat you on the head if you were near and consented.
If it’s extremely dangerous to be an ICE agent the problem solves its self.
Sort of, if the job didnt pay so well it would be enough of a deterrent I think.
was Reddit always this conservative? or they gradually purged all the left from there and now it’s a cespit.
Both really. Aaron Swartz was not so conservative but Steve Huffman struck me as a libertarian bro long ago, and so absent Swartz the site began down a horrendous path that ramped up with the banning of leftist spaces like /r/chapotraphouse.
Also relevant on Steve Huffman:
The [Anti-Defamation League] said on Monday it’s opened the Center for Technology and Society, complete with an advisory board stacked with notable names like Reddit CEO Steve Huffman, Facebook Vice President of Product Guy Rosen, and Bumble CEO Whitney Wolfe.
https://www.cnet.com/culture/anti-defamation-league-taps-tech-giants-to-fight-hate/
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If you don’t show a badge and have a warrant, you’re not an officer, you’re an armed assailant.
if you are in a car, you have right to use it to defend yourself from thugs/.
They’re not recruiting the best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re recruiting people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re using drugs. They’re committing crimes. They’re rapists. And some, maybe, although unlikely, are good people.”
That was way too coherent. Try turning down the coherency about 80%.
That’s being generous
They are fed workers there’s no reason to be secretive.
They will easily give up a hundred different names each. Could be a good grab from some low hanging fruit?
I genuinely do not consider that to be controversial.
Fascists should be afraid for their safety, as a general rule. When they’re not, it’s a problem. As we can see now.
Way more controversial that my tax dollars.oay people that are trying to conceal their identities…?
Like surely. I don’t see an argument between clandestine tax dollars thugs and a desire to clarify that clandestine bullshit.
Agreed, these are masked criminals and we have the right to share who they are.
They’re also ostensibly public employees. ICE is not a spy organization, we should know who they are
And even if they weren’t criminals, they’re claiming to be law enforcement which normally requires you to identify yourself.
The controversy is not that you agree with this, it’s that some people don’t.
The controversy is coming when this list is contraband.
You got it, if your job is to terrify and kidnap people, you should also be at least afraid for your life !
For the record, fascists will always project that they are afraid for their safety. Playing the victim is how they gain power. When one of them is targeted, it doesn’t create fear to dissuade the rest, it empowers them to play it up for support.
The point is that we should MAKE them ACTUALLY afraid for their safety. If they’re playing victim anyways… make them actual victims.
As long as you accept that you are playing into their strategy to instigate a civil war which they’ve been working toward years, if not decades, sure.
Alternatively, we could opt to listen to experts on fascism, recognize the systemic issues that give rise to it (like economic instability and wealth inequality), make a concerted effort to address those concerns, win over the working class which the left has neglected for the last 60 years, and bring the temperature down for centrists thereby cutting off the primary weapon of fascism…
But we’ll probably do it the dumb way.
Edit: for the record, I’m fully convinced there are psyops going on here on Lemmy, and the people like you trying to push us further toward violence and civil unrest are either them, or useful idiots helping them.
We cannot address any of the root causes of fascism while fascists control all the levers of power.
The fact that we’re able to have this conversation means we still have the power that matters most. And the fact that they hold all political offices means they get blamed for any unrest. It’s why every incumbent in every election in the world in 2024 lost support, and it’s why trump is so afraid of the midterms.
Meanwhile, Bernie and AOC are holding successful rallies in southern states, and local candidates like Graham Platner are gaining traction. The right has spent decades shifting blame away from the rich, and it seems people are finally getting wise to it. It sucks that they had to see how bad it could get with their own eyes before figuring it out, but that’s just how humanity works, it seems.
It already is a civil war. One side thinks having the moral high ground means not having to show up.
What you’re suggesting is a shaky strategy for fighting standard GOP misbehavior two, three decades ago. Wake up and look around.
I’m not trying to be mean, but I do think you need to hear this: touch grass. This is a big deal to Americans, but it’s pretty much politics as usual for like 70% of the world. Recognize that the fact that we get to think it’s a big deal is part of our entitlement.
I get it, trump is testing limits, he’s got ICE rounding people up, he’s trying to deploy the military into states, he’s painting innocents as terrorists. And I’m telling you, it’s not popular. He doesn’t have the support to pull this off, he’s doing what he’s doing not because he’s strong but because he’s weak, desperate, and he knows it.
Right now, he desperately wants this to devolve into violence, because like any demagogue, he can’t be a functional politician, he can only fight invisible enemies. He’s trying to provoke a war in time for midterms. Don’t give him what he wants. Stand united in peace with the vast majority of people who don’t want this to continue.
MAGA is gaining ground against you every fucking day and has been for years with zero opposition.
People like you are the reason.
“I’m not trying to be mean.” 🤣 of course you’re not- you’re not capable of it. If you were, you might have a shot at being useful. I promise you nobody is horribly hurt by milquetoast “mean words” from a coward who won’t lift a finger to stop his neighbors from being kidnapped.
First off, Trump is one thing, but MAGA is losing ground. Source. As soon as trump entered office, the MAGA movement stalled and has started trending back down. This is because he’s been given the every lever, and as expected, he’s botching it.
Second, you’re interpreting what I’m saying in the way you want to hear it. Absolutely go protest, get naked and stand in front of a tank, douse yourself in oil and set yourself aflame on the whitehouse lawn, sound the alarm so that everyone hears through all the noise. And like always: defend yourself and those around you from criminals using whatever means you have.
But we are at the ideal time to appeal to MAGA. Look at all the Republicans breaking from him over the shutdown. MAGA is to the right what Occupy WallSt was to the youth before the rich steered it back to a left/right old/young thing. There are systemic problems, and people are seeing that targeting the “woke” isn’t going to solve it. They are soon going to be forced to demand working solutions. He can only blame Biden for so long.
Of course, nothing i say will convince some people. There are a class of horny idiots who desperately need to act on their frail emotions, give trump what he wants, and go out in the streets with MAGA to aggressively suck each other off. You are free to be in that group if you want, but know that you’re not helping anyone but yourself and the fascist movement. (Of course you and I both know that the only fingers you’re lifting are from your keyboard to downvote someone you disagree with 🤣).
ICE agents arent fascists. They are americans who want a high paying job. Its an awful job and only barely worth it with a six figure salary. If people took more of a stand against working there, they would raise the wages until people want to.
In a way its a good thing these people are mostly doing it for money, which won’t much matter in a civil war.
Billionaires are just following the american dream, they found a high paying job is all. Its not their fault they did evil things along the way!
Come on y’all, let’s not pick on the poor fascists!
Are we talking about billionaires or ICE agents? ICE agents aren’t billionaires.
Were talking about fascists…
Might as well be talking about nothing then, because your definition of who is a fascist surely won’t match mine.
Do you have any comment about ICE agents or this post?
Yawn
This is how I know you’re debating in bad faith
I dont think you know what bad faith means. Its definitely not when you think someones contradicted themselves.
I asked who we were talking about again because this post and conversation is about ICE agents, not billionaires.
Unless there are some billionaires larping as ICE agents, then I dont see how thats relevant, and I dont care to start off on some tangent for no reason.
If you think I’m wrong though feel free to explain why.
No, because you’re debating in bad faith
Again, I dont think you understand the term. Bad faith isn’t someone you disagree with.
Yeah its unfortunate that people are susceptible to making actions against their own values. Fortunately people never stay the same and constantly grow and change.
Seems quite apologetic to somebody that would lock another living person in a cage.
Well I guess you just have never made a mistake in your life. Good for you, goodest boy/girl. I hope you get many pats on the head.
Real mature to minimize the act of irversibly ruining another human life as a “mistake”.
Well, I’m mocking you, and you are immature, so I think I hit the nail on the head actually.
You are clearly not paying attention to the crazy hiring spree ICE is doing, and the ads they’re posting to drive it, or the sort of people that they’re hiring, or their predominant beliefs.
Willful ignorance is a hell of a drug.
I know what they are doing, and I know the type of people working there. They are not unforgivable or unredeemable, as much as it makes you feel good to say so.
Lemmy and reddit both have a huge bias towards black and white thinking, which I think is shortsighted and immature.
If a fascist wants to become not a fascist, good for them, and yes, they should be embraced for turning their backs on that insanity.
That absolutely does not mean that fascists should be treated with kids gloves, or given the benefit of the doubt. Ever.
You get empathy when you walk away from that shit. Not before.
I simply dont think we should make them and their families scared to live in their homes. Thats not the point of all this, and its not going to change anyone’s mind.
I will not condone what ia being done but I’m also not going to condemn the people doing it.
It must be pointed out that a lot of the people doing it, especially recently, are racist, fascist assholes. So yeah, I’m absolutely going to condemn the people doing it. And I think your attempt to morally fence-sit on that topic is at best comically naïve, and at worst deeply disingenuous.
Well you are entitled to your opinion after all. If you feel better for condemning them that good for you I guess.
This dude is clearly ice.
It’s a wonder these people can manage to post with their tongues wrapped so thoroughly around the boot.
ICE agents arent fascists.
How did you decide that? All polling disagrees with you, so what do you know that we don’t?
WELL IF THE POLLS SAY IT THEN IT MUST BE TRUE! FANTASTIC!
So when presented with reality instead of learning you revert to what your feelings tell you?
Are you implying polls accurately represent reality?
There’s a reason why they hide their faces and want to hide their identities … they know what they are doing is wrong. They’re gambling on the idea that if their fascist government stays in place, they’ll be rewarded … but if their fascist government fails, then they can go back to normal society if no one knows who they are.
If what they are doing is justified, moral and can be easily defended, then they would have no need to hide themselves.
but if their fascist government fails, then they can go back to normal society of no one knows who they are.
It should be trivial for a theoretical subsequent competent government to identify these people, but I’ve just about lost all hope that anyone will face consequences for doing fascist shit.
They should be allowed to grow and change like anyone else. This thread is so full of hate I dont know how anyone here thinks they are an example of a “good” citizen.
If any of y’all ran the government, we would be so much worse off right now.
Any action taken against fascists is self-defense. Are you against self-defense?
No, I support people defending themselves and their communities. I dont see how this doxxing site helps with that, it seems more like virtue signalling for terminally online “leftists”.
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Oh noes, people are hating fascists! We shouldn’t let those fascist haters run the government, much better to let the fascists do it. Go lick some more ICE balls, you fucking rusty spork.
We can talk again when you grow up.
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They can grow and change in jail while they pay for their crimes.
If thats how our system worked I’d be fine with that.
Surprising to me that he is based in the Netherlands. In Germany, this project would likely be criminal.
He still might get into trouble over GDPR. He’s obviously counting on the exemption for journalism, but I am not sure if that works.
GDPR exist to protect EU citizens and data. Not U.S citizens or data.
Are you guys really unaware of the whole fundamental rights thing? Feels like EU people are always going on about it. I guess it rarely becomes clear what those rights are.
In EU law, data protection is understood to be a fundamental right. From that viewpoint, saying that GDPR only protects Europeans makes as much sense as saying that laws against murder only protect Europeans.
I don’t see anything wrong with it.
they make lists of progressives and post them online all the time anyways.
democratize this shit.
