Crossposted from HackerNews
Don’t worry guys, they’re only putting these AI cameras in literally every city and doing it in shady ways without anyone knowing. And false flags like this happen very frequently.
I should be shocked that eight cops looked at a picture of a black kid holding a bag of doritos in his hand and agreed that it was a gun. why am I not shocked?
I am shocked that (thankfully) they didn’t shoot him.
It was in his pocket, the pocket bulge was picked up as a probable gun.
Notoriously gun shaped bags, Doritos, the shitty system definitely doesn’t just flag anything.
“The AI gave just us go-ahead, boys. Open fire!”
That’s unironically already been happening in Gaza for years now, and will now happen everywhere Palantir is used.
This is the premise of the video game Long Gone Days and the Netflix episode Black Mirror: Men Against Fire.
Gunshots By Computer, Saul Williams / NiN.
Welcome to Year Zero.
I hate every one of these replies.
Welcome to hyperreality, enjoy your stay!
Also, there is no way to leave.
I’m not convinced they looked at anything. The AI sounded the alert and they peeled rubber.
“Computer says” is enough confirmation for most people.
Yeah, that’s the sketch that always comes to my mind when it comes to people in positions of authority and computers.
Minority report
Minority report had a specialist review the footage and present the case to
threetwo witnesses who teleconferenced in andapproved the arrestwitnessed the investigation before sending in the troops.So this is not that dystopian cautionary tale. It’s worse.
Edit: re-watched the intro. The witnesses watched, but the police arrested the perp on their own accord. One of the witnesses is a judge though. So I guess it’s a pretty well supervised process.
I was making a dumb joke. The ai reported a minority…
Its cops. They just saw a black kid and figured they could plant a dime bag or a toy train after the fact.
You see to the untrained ear Choo Choo sounds like shoot! shoot!
They probably just trusted the AI. Like everyone else is doing for some reason.
Shows the importance of having a human in the loop.
And since the police vetted the image properly they shouldn’t be afraid of publishing it, right?
It’s crazy how LLM’s and AI have arrived, and immediately started depriving us of dignity, autonomy, and financial independence… And nobody is doing shit about it.
The largest reason for this is that Donald Trump and the GOP are in power. They’ve actually been eroding what little safeguards had been erected.
We are all going to suffer while rich assholes destroy this world. All of us except the very, very top.
Best thing is to use Open Source AI if people must since those are way better than the proprietary ones
Best best thing is to have fucking human oversight over a machine telling us something.
Sure, having (supposedly) unbiased model running without third-party opaque interference is great, but LLM will always be statistical machines, by design. Nothing it does have value if it’s not checked by something that’s smart enough, and aside from deterministic outcomes we can express with pure logic, that requires a human.
Very true and fully agree
Doritos, This much flavor should be illegal.
You’re welcome lays, I’ll take $200k for the idea.
Drop the weapon!
That was just a minor glitch. Also who even liked Kenny anyway?
Now correctly identifies the dropped doritos bag.
Drop the weapon!
bring the strangest objects you can find into public spaces.
Based compliance
The ai was actually a Blue dorito bag
Are we sure it was just the bag of Doritos that the AI misclassified?
No one ever says “sorry” or apologise for stuff like this. Guess its an admitance of guilt or wrongdoing and means you are liable. This way they can fight the court system… Or rather not since the parents probably can’t afford a civil claim.
Fuck this litigious age we live in.
A false positive is better then a false negative. The best would be to kill the gun culture so we don’t have to have AI in school, making sure 16 year olds aren’t carrying weapons (only nation where we have this stupid problem).
Yeah, I’m kinda surprised by the downvotes. I’d rather no guns but if I had to choose between the system missing one and spotting one incorrectly, I’m pretty sure I lean to the false positive.
I suspect the downvotes are because it sounds like this :
Wild takeaway, personally I’d rather no guns, no AI but do have a preference for over detection vs guns on school but to each their own!
No weirdo, I’m saying I’d rather a few false positives then an actual shooting that could have been stopped but was overlooked.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
Firstly, i said it “sounds like that”, not “this is what they meant”, very different things.
Secondly, what exactly is it you think happens when some of these false positives occur ?
/s ?
No
Regardless of the gun problem, we don’t need to have AI in schools.
It’s not legal for 16yos to carry guns in school.
Were you going anywhere with this?
???
Oh you seemed like you thought it was legal and that we should consider criminalizing it, but you mean we should make it double illegal. Good plan!
I never for a second thought or said that. But making things illegal doesn’t always solve a problem (which is exasperated by the gun culture). Take a step back and think for a second. You are getting emotional and you aren’t making any sense.
“Gun culture” and “kids committing crimes” are two separate things. “Gun culture” (if you can even call it that) is IDPA, USPSA, Cowboy Action, skeet (haha), trap, hunting, historical collections, non-historical collections, and defense. Not murdering unarmed kids in a school with a stolen or illegally purchased gun. Incel culture maybe but not “gun culture.”
This is like saying “car culture” is running over grandmas while drunk driving, rather than cosmetic/performance mods, racing, antique car shows full of Chevy Bel-Airs and Novas, muscle cars, etc. It’s not. “Alcoholic culture” maybe but not “car culture.”
Maybe you should take that step back.
The fact that we built a gun culture around treating weapons like cool toys is directly linked to the amount of school shooting. The gun cult really likes to pretend they aren’t related and it’s pathetic.
If you ever talked to anyone actually “in the gun culture” (a phrase that is still laughable to me as if it were a real thing), you’d learn safety is paramount, that they are not toys. This is what you’re saying is responsible for school shootings because they’re treating them like toys? Sure lol. Another example of the basic safety rules from a guy responsible for school shootings, clearly you can hear him saying “play with them wantonly” right there, huh? How bout this guy? Clearly, “gun culture” doesn’t treat guns as toys. Instigram dumbshits are not “gun culture,” the gentleman responding to them here, well, again gun culture isn’t really a thing like you seem to think but he’s as close as we’ll get just like all the other safety advocates in these links.
You gonna blame KMFDM next, or?
No. The police are well known for using violence against non-violent black people. Imagine what they could do if they believed a black person was armed. I would say that this kid got really lucky.
Besides the racism problem, many false positives will lead to people not taking the system seriously (see: the boy who cried wolf) and even if they take every positive seriously, it would be a huge waste of resources to frequently send a bunch of cops to do nothing (in best case scenario, in worst case it’ll result in the death of an innocent person).
False negative worse case scenario is a bunch of dead kids though. Like I said, I’d rather if guns weren’t in society but you work with what you have and I’d rather a system that was too sensitive then not sensitive enough.
If false positives are frequent enough, police might not take the predictions of the system seriously.
Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,”
A black person gets harassed by police without reason. System is functioning as intended, indeed.
I, and most everyone I know, would 100% be crumpling up chip bags into vague shapes of guns and making it a pain in the ass for them to keep checking.
I faintly recall there was a news article about someone who was gunned down by cops mistaking a foil-wrapped sandwich for a gun.
I mean the ARE pretty spicy. /s Sez the guy who just started a batch of habanero hot sauce. smh
