• Value Subtracted@startrek.websiteMEnglish
    1762·
    2 个月前

    Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.

    This has always been the case, but I’m going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.

  • DarkCloud@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    2 个月前

    Yeah there are ideologies that most people can’t handle or comprehend today:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_conservatism

    This and Rockerfeller Republicanism (sometimes called the east coast elite).

    Then there are things that make more sense, like Christian Distributism, Communitarianism, Georgism. Put all this together and you realise, there are definitely ways to Socialism that run through Conservatism. Most people can’t handle or understand this idea.

    Conservativism is actually quite incompatible with Libertarianism (and even to some degree Neo-Liberalism). Conservativism and Libertarianism can be a very unhappy marriage at times.

    • SocProf@masto.aiOP
      3·
      2 个月前

      @DarkCloud If I wanted to be charitable, I’d acknowledge that there haven’t really been progressive Republicans pretty much since Reagan, so younger conservatives haven’t been exposed to them.

      • DarkCloud@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        2 个月前

        It’s unfortunate that young leftists don’t understand the real territory of rightwing politics (their deeper espoused values), because there are genuine avenues for fractures and change there.

        Conservatives tend to be statists even though they’ve been brainwashed into thinking they’re not. They tend to want grand projects, community halls, roman columns, socialism for their neighborhoods, family, community, and churches - none of which economic Libertarians agree with. Libertarians would be buying the marble back to sell it on the freemarket then eyeing the family and wondering why they can’t buy them as slaves too. Really opposing philosophies if you go by their ideals.

        Then throw the Christian Distributism, Communitarianism, and Georgism in there, and Conservativism starts to look pretty leftwing, leaving Libertarians out in the cold.

        Throw in a concept like Aesthetic Justice, the idea that poor suburbs should look and be designed to be beautiful and that that would reduce crime, create safer, more neighbourly communities - stuff like that might even break the conservative’s love of military policing.

        It’s all a matter of perspective.

  • owenfromcanada@lemmy.caEnglish
    24·
    2 个月前

    I mean, a show like Star Trek couldn’t possibly do well pushing a progressive worldview, right? Definitely it would have to appeal to bigots conservatives, or it would tank. No progressiveness on Star Trek, no sir.

    /s

  • cuchi@startrek.websiteEnglish
    1·
    1 个月前

    It will make more sense if he said most Trekkies are americans, but how you know they are republican if the vote are secret?

  • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
    131·
    2 个月前

    … … Wat? Is this based on Star Trek fans despising NuTrek? Because that has to do with shit writing and shitting on continuity…

    • Glytch@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      2 个月前

      Nah, it’s just your typical conservative with zero media literacy not understanding Star Trek and thinking no one else does either.

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.worldEnglish
      75·
      2 个月前

      Conservatives like Star Trek because it promotes the values of meritocracy, hierarchy, authority, and military discipline. None of these are commonly held by people in the American left (especially not the academic left, which tend to be pretty anti-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian).

      The people usually referred to as Republicans these days are right-wing populists. They have very little in common with the types of conservatives who loved the franchise in the 20th century. Those older conservatives are almost extinct in the Republican Party today.

      • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        53·
        2 个月前

        it promotes the values of meritocracy,

        […]

        None of these are commonly held by people in the American left

        Troll or idiot?! Taking all bets! I also offer videoooo poookkeeer!

        • zaphod@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          22·
          2 个月前

          The right loves meritocracy. To them it means everyone got what they deserve, from the homeless to the billionaires.

          • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            2 个月前

            Oh, is that why they kept ethnic minorities out of positions of power and established structures of “not what you know, but who you know” and established “legacy admissions” for the children of huge donors?

            • zaphod@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              1·
              2 个月前

              No, that’s because they’re racist. They can have different motivations to do what they do.

              • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
                31·
                2 个月前

                they have “legacy admissions” for inbred, stupid children of rich donors because they are racist and not because their father donated the “Libertarian Friedman” wing of the campus?

    • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
      19·
      2 个月前

      Bold of you to assume they know it’s space communism. If the boys is of any indication Star Trek needs to explicitly say “we’re space communism” for there to be a 50/50 chance of Republicans getting it.

    • zaphod@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      26·
      2 个月前

      Remember not so long ago when people noticed that Rise Against makes political songs? A lot of people are blind to stuff like this until you point it out.

    • RBWells@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 个月前

      I do, they just think it’s an unrealistic world, not a bad one. Something that could never happen here.

  • PhilipTheBucket@piefed.socialEnglish
    991·
    2 个月前

    Kirk was kissing black ladies back when that was basically illegal. What the fuck is this? Don’t blame the “they put politics in my Trek” crowd on Trek crowd, man, those dudes were always just idiots.

        • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          19·
          2 个月前

          Yeah, they nabbed a screenshot from one of the best episodes of DS9

          DO NOT look up screenshots of Terry Farrell in Trials and Tribble-ations if you are not prepared to immediately fall in love with her again

        • Zephorah@discuss.onlineEnglish
          14·
          2 个月前

          Yes. That’s from Deep Space Nine. S5E6 Trials and Tribbleations. A neat mashup that puts the DS9 crew into the original tribbles episode.

        • zaphod@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          34·
          2 个月前

          Yes, it’s from Deep Space Nine Season 5, Episode 6 “Trials and Tribble-ations”.

            • Zephorah@discuss.onlineEnglish
              11·
              2 个月前

              Yes. The character arcs are the best thus far. It’s less “police procedural” than the prior two. And Sisko is the best Captain.

            • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
              4·
              2 个月前

              definitely. I also had a hard time starting it, but it gets really really good after the first couple episodes

            • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
              8·
              2 个月前

              Especially when the first season episodes open up with a story arc involving nationalism, immigration and xenophobia.

            • Skullgrid@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              2 个月前

              It’s great when it was on TV. I thought Sisko was a great, friendly, fatherly figure, and Odo and Quark were great fun.

              After having seen some eps with my wife, and reading stuff on the wiki, fucking hell. Sisko is basically Douglas MacArthur, and takes picard’s “first duty of every starfleet officer is to the truth” speech and sees it as a personal challenge to defy it as hard has he can, while screaming “You betrayed your uniform!” to any maquis he sees.

              Which, to be fair, the maquis are not in the right, but fucking whatever.

              • rainwall@piefed.socialEnglish
                7·
                2 个月前

                The charector arcs in the show are complex, especially for the early 90s. Sisko is largely an honorable man, but the nature of the roles he assumes strain him, force him in difficult directions.

                The marquies in a lot of ways are personal to him. A dear friend defects to them early, and then he gets rolled later by others he trusts. He basically has direct bad blood with them.

                Some of the other choices he makes? Fucked up, but to the shows credit, they lean into it and dont pretend hes the good guy when they happen.

    • SocProf@masto.aiOP
      14·
      2 个月前

      @PhilipTheBucket They get such a shallow understanding of things, and then get all butt hurt when other people provide a much more logical interpretation based on the specifically stated intents of the original show creators.

  • don@lemmy.caEnglish
    47·
    2 个月前

    I could drop all the acid in the world and still not come up with a take this fucking deranged.

      • Aqarius@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        2 个月前

        …Masculinity? This is bog standard “conformist imagining a we to be a part of”. It’s why the “moral majority” thing had the impact it did.

  • omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    21·
    2 个月前

    Yes, the true fans of the TV show about space communism and racial equality has always been

    *checks notes

    Republicans?

  • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    2 个月前

    Slash fic as it originated in modern fan culture was Kirk/Spock and spread through zines written by women in the 60s.

    Also I’ve been watching TNG for the first time lately (late to trek) and I honestly don’t understand how conservatives could really enjoy the best episodes. Like I watched The Drumhead (s4e21) last night and it was aggressively unsubtlely anti conservative. Like honestly I regret not keeping notes from the start of this watch through to have good episodes to recommend to people. First Contact (s4e14) had the villain literally be a conservative trying to preserve his society’s way of life against the progress it would have to deal with if it encountered aliens.