The only thing I like about Trump is exactly what so many empire managers hate about him: he gives the game away. He says the quiet parts out loud. He’s the only president who’ll openly boast that US troops are in Syria taking the oil or lament that they failed to take the oil from Venezuela, or just come right out and tell everyone he’s bought and owned by Zionist oligarchs.

Trump is the opposite of Obama, who was very skillful at putting a pretty face on the evil empire. Trump puts a very ugly face on a very ugly thing. He is a much more honest face to have on the empire. A crude, stupid plutocrat who is owned by other plutocrats is the perfect representative of that tyrannical power structure.

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    No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it. If you were antiwar during Bush you found yourself just as angry but far more alone under Obama. Nobody wanted to hear the critiques and it stayed that way until trump round one when all the libs pretended to care again.

    He ran on ending the wars and then went forward with NATO Invading Libya and turning it into an open air slave market. Assassination of a us teenager as part of his drone expansion where funerals, hospitals, and weddings were bombed regularly. The surgical drone strike nonsense is propaganda to counter act that his kill lists got press.

    How about reviving the espionage act to imprison whistleblowers?? He prosecuted people who leaked that the government used waterboarding and did Gitmo ever close?

    Obama ramped up immigration enforcement and deported more people than Bush or trump. He expanded ICE law enforcement powers, increased border security budget and built the cages. He failed to get any positive reform to stick so the end result was more enforcement.

    Fuck off with that tan suit washing nonsense honestly. Obama did continue the status quo and put a pretty face on it. Trump does show you what this country truly is. 100%

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      No he acted that way, and then extended them and everyone ignored it.

      That statement isn’t backed by any data.

      “On July 1, 2016, President Barack Obama signed an executive order requiring annual accounting of civilian and enemy casualties in U.S. drone strikes outside war zones (“Areas Outside of Active Hostilities”), and setting a deadline of May 1 each year for the release of such report.[27][28] However, soon after taking office, President Donald Trump designated large areas in Yemen and Somalia to be “areas of active hostilities,” thus exempting them from disclosure.”

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes

      https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12

      https://www.ranker.com/list/the-twelve-worst-us-presidents-based-on-body-counts/dralcarroll

      https://airwars.org/research/civilian-deaths-by-us-president-in-iraq-and-syria/

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

      Obama made it public. Bush and Trump hid it.

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        Obama also classified all ‘military aged’ males near areas of hostile activities as terrorists. Sorry you were fooled by Obama but he didnt change America and he didnt bring hope or peace to the world. Just a pretty facade that made yall feel justified and superior as he overthrew socialist countries, continues the wars, the torture, and the deportations.

        Sure trump is worse. Everyone can see trump is worse but the policy and enforcement are not as far from each other as the Dem establishment and their fanatics pretend. Obamas America and trumps America are the same America. Libya and Syria, extending the patriot act indefinitely, keeping Gitmo open and us troops in the middle east, prosecuting snowden all really cemented that for me.

        We are the baddies. We were during Obama and Bush and Clinton and trump just stops anyone from claiming otherwise.

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          I didn’t claim Obama didn’t kill anyone. I do claim, supported by links, that he killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Trump.

          You claimed he was worse than Bush which is not supported by any data.

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            I see, my claim was actually that he deported more than bush and trump. Not killed more people in war. Not that he was worse than bush, just not different. Obama turned out to be more of the same evil empire.

            I did also claim that instead of ending the wars in the middle east via the NATO overthrow of Libya and Syria, and that the drone casualities are under reported.

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                The one cool thing about digital communication is you can just scroll up and reread the original lol

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                  Can you not see what you wrote?

                  You wrote a paragraph on anti war

                  You wrote a paragraph on Libya

                  You wrote a paragraph on deportation

                  You wrote follow up replies about young boys classified as terrorists for kill reports.

                  Now you claim you were only writing about deportation.

                  ???