“I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU” is about to be my go to line to get out of uncomfortable situations.
I DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT
Bullshit. You know that mail is regarding the child support payments you’re trying to weasel your way out of.
They are always asking how to “discharge” child support on the sovcit groups.
One of those was a census. How tiny is their world if they don’t know what a census is, and who sends them?
What is census? And who’s sending it?
(asks non usa-an)
If your serious, it’s something we do every few years to see how many people live in the US (like how many people live at your house), what race and gender you all are, income and that sort of thing. Basically it just gives the government a general idea of how many people live in the US, whether or not they are citizens and other social and economic shit. You fill them out anonymously and it only effects general population reports and stuff, it doesn’t really effect you personally. It’s pretty much only used for statistical purposes.
I think the MDHS one is Mississippi child support and this “sovereign citizen” is a deadbeat parent (surprise).
Out of curiosity, does your country not have a census? I would have guessed every country does to have accurate information about their populace.
No that was digitalized like twenty years ago.
How? Is it China? I can’t imagine real digitalized census without China level of surveillance.
I, uh, happen to be an expert in censuses.
The US of course tries to get everyone to respond, and sends people out to follow up with people who don’t respond, such as this sovereign citizen in the original post. (The picture is of the 2020 Census envelope and as such is ~4 years old, by the way.)
Some European countries do an administrative records census, wherein they know who is in the country based on passport control, birth and death records, and so on. These censuses have the (admitted) flaw that someone who is in the country illegally would almost certainly not be counted, but on the flip side they are MUCH cheaper and faster than the US-style census. It’s basically just running an SQL query on the database.
Other countries do a mix of the two. Even the US uses administrative records sometimes, if good data is available, and they can’t get a response another way.
The US’s situation is more complex than many countries, because driver’s licenses (which serve as IDs) are issued by the individual states, not the federal government, and relatively few Americans ever get a passport. So, the closest things to a “master list” of people in the US that the government has are things like IRS and Social Security records - but those have flaws, too - for example, they don’t count legal visitors.
I do not know what China et al do to complete their censuses.
The MDHS State Disbursement Unit is the Child Support department. Dude went nuts because he doesn’t want to pay child support. What a POS.
One of their biggest things they’re always trying to do is “discharge” theur child support.
Yeah they are. But fun fact, garnishments and liens work just as well without an INTERNATIONAL TREATY and a surprising number of these loons still work and own stuff.
Yes but they’re their own country, and the USA needs to form a treaty to have say in their business, unless they’re “travelling” or receiving welfare or benefit in some other way
“I don’t have anything to do with that kid! Why should I have to pay child support?”
Unfortunately I know people like that in real life, who don’t seem to understand that the child support is largely because they want nothing to do with their kid
What if before birth they prove that they wanted the child aborted?
If they were going to want the baby aborted, they shouldn’t have had sex without a condom. You don’t get to cum inside someone and then tell them what to do with it. Your jizz, your problem.
So, do you oppose abortion in general?
What a person does with their own body is entirely up to them. If you play your part in making that baby, and the person you came inside of plays their part too, you both have to pay for it. The sperm donor has one opportunity to opt out of being a parent, and that one opportunity is when they’re having sex.
What a person does with their own body is entirely up to them.
Yes, but when one person has the choice to not have a child, the other person can express their desire to not raise the child.
If you play your part in making that baby, and the person you came inside of plays their part too, you both have to pay for it.
Why?
The sperm donor has one opportunity to opt out of being a parent, and that one opportunity is when they’re having sex.
Why?
Obviously not. They’re saying that the person that gets pregnant gets to decide whether or not they want to abort. It’s not the decision of the sperm donor.
So, a mother has a choice to opt out of paying for a child if they can’t afford it. But a father is given the same choice.
I only agreed to get my dick wet, your child support contract is invalid
> Refuses to open letter
> I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR INTENT
Ok, buddy.
If they don’t open it they can’t have read it and therefore aren’t bound by what’s in it. <- sovcit logic
I mean, that does work. Unless the letter is sent certified mail, it’s not guaranteed to arrive. It could be lost on the way so they can’t prove you got it.
Of course if you write all over it and post it online then you clearly got it.
By and large, I think most of these people are just trying to get out of legal and financial obligations. I bet if a government agency sent them a check, they’d fucking cash it. But it’s when they’re required to pay money or complete the littlest forms that they balk. They are just bad scammers.
“Not a US citizen”
Okay, so GTFO if you’re renouncing your citizenship. And don’t use any public roads or services as you’re leaving…
doesn’t US charge you for giving up your citizenship too?
Yup, its an old Civil War era law for folks who tried to avoid dying in the Civil War by moving to Canada. Reasoning was, if you wanted to draft dodge you could support the war financially instead. Then during the early 2000s as folks who graduated college at the wrong time and ended up more college debt than they can ever pay off started moving abroad to escape it, they increased the fee and took other steps to make renouncing more difficult since expats were renouncing their citizenship to stop owing taxes in the US
ended up more college debt than they can ever pay off started moving abroad to escape it, they increased the fee
Short version: USA wanted slaves
to stop owing taxes in the US
I’m not a lawyer and I’m not from US, but I’m pretty sure this is not how it works.
I’m not a lawyer and I’m not from US, but I’m pretty sure this is not how it works.
Ah but it is. The US is, as far as I know, the only country who taxes its citizens who are living abroad. And yes, it is as stupid and shitty as it sounds.
