• Semester3383@lemmy.world
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    You don’t convince those who dont consider you human hy begging.

    Correct. You start by convincing them that you’re human. That’s a large part of the reason that there was a very rapid sea-change in gay rights.

    I say this as someone from part of a group it’s very hard to keep from voting and expects men with guns to drag me out of bed and take me to the camps any month now: […]

    As a 2A enthusiast, THIS IS WHY I’VE BEEN TELLING LGBTQ+, WOMEN, NON-WHITE PEOPLE, AND RELIGIOUS MINORITIES TO GET FUCKING ARMED FOR THE LAST DECADE. Unless and until you can build a coalition that agrees that you are human, and have rights, you need to be able to use violence as a tool to protect yourself, and your community. This is why I’m a firearms instructor, this is I offer free training to and LGBTQ+, non-white, non-christian, or non-male person that wants it.

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      You convince them by making them afraid. Fear and violence is the only dialogue with one who is steadfastly determined not to understand you or regard you as himan.

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        You don’t have nearly enough ability to make them afraid. You may be able to wield enough violence to save your life from an immediate threat. But not a determined campaign

        As I said before: Afghanistan, Iran.

        You simply do not have the ability to wield violence on a scale that would actually make them afraid enough to give you equal rights–rather than increase their desire to exterminate you and people that believe the way you do–so you need to convince them.

        Gay people got acceptance because they started becoming visible in popular media, people started publicly coming out of the closet, and that humanized gay people. It’s easy to hate gay people with they’re just a concept; it’s much harder to hate gay people when it’s your neighbor that’s been helping with your backyard BBQ for the last decade. We went from gay people getting fired simply for being gay to marriage equality in less than 30 years. (Yes, Trump et al. are trying to undo that, but at this point support for marriage equality is 68%, and even though it’s going down with Republicans, they’re still at 40%.)

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          If you dont have enough violence to inconvenience them, then they have no reason to give a shit. End of conversation. Or rather start of conversation that consists entirely of violence.

          Don’t tell me about gay rights. I’ve talked to some of the folks who won them. The previous generation of us survived a genocide. We rioted and fought for decades. There’s a rich history there. Do not erase the history of my people for the convenience of your shit lib lies you queerphobic piece of shit.