Zig quits GitHub, gripes about Microsoft's AI obsession
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  • Jeena@piefed.jeena.netEnglish
    231·
    2 days ago

    I feel like I’m in good company, I moved my stuff to my own forgejo instance about two month ago because finally I had some time to set one up. I wanted to do it for years because it was embarrysing to host open source code on a closed source platform ran by Microsoft. But my main kick in the but to really just do it was their CEO told his workers to embrace AI or get out: https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8 I knew this is not the place to be anymore.

  • Vogi@piefed.socialEnglish
    32·
    3 days ago

    Im eyeing Zig for a long time also as the core developers behind it seem to be really cool and drama free. Which, i know, is no argument for an programming language but cool non the less. Just hope the language itself is also cool to work with.

  • D1re_W0lf@piefed.worldEnglish
    14·
    2 days ago

    Let me guess… Thanks to this “bug” Microsoft / GitHub are charging their paying costumers for something that otherwise would be just idle time. 🤔

    • alias_qr_rainmaker@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 days ago

      they’re always trying to screw you. feel free to call me delusional but i think like mark zuckerberg. i’m not as good with code as he is, but i’m autistic and i’m very low on the empathy scale.

      mark zuckerberg is one of the world’s highest functioning autistic psychopaths.they all are. they all hate humans. they all want to accelerate the end of the world because they think everything is a simulation and when everyone dies they respawn in a better simulation

      they talk about this shit all the time on the dark web

      • alias_qr_rainmaker@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 days ago

        it’s not about the money. it’s about the power. they want the power to kill every single one of us so they can respawn in valhalla. shoot robert evans a message on bluesky if you want to know more. i went to high school with robert in plano texas so we’ve known each other for like…20 years, about. he knows how to get into all this shit

      • alias_qr_rainmaker@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        if you wanna see this shit for yourself you gotta use tor and check out BHC

        it’s the darkweb so be

        VERY

        FUCKING

        CAREFUL

        you need a tricked out PC to deal with all the custom CSAM injections

        • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          Nope nope nope nope nope. Why would I trust a browser written by criminals for criminals or by the FBI/CIA for criminals with my browsing? Nope nope nope.

        • alias_qr_rainmaker@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          2 days ago

          My favorite podcast is Behind the Bastards. Huge Robert Evans fan (I grew up with him) I’m also an anarchist, but I’m not his type. I’m a hacktivist.I work behind the scenes. Feel free to think this is aLARP, but if you want high quality transgender BDSM porn on whitehouse.gov, i’m your guy

          anyhoo, zuck actually is a brilliant coder. he really is a fucking genius,. WAY smarer than anyone here, especially me. but he doesn’t care about any of you. hopefullythat isn’tnewsto anyone here

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
    371·
    3 days ago

    …The same Zig that ditched LLVM, to make their own compiler from scratch?

    This is good. But also, this is sort of in character for Zig.

    • TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 days ago

      IIRC, the difference here is that Zig’s plan had always been to make their own compiler, but had to use LLVM to get started and, more cynically, to try and get some LLVM contributors interested in the project so they could essentially poach them.

      I am pretty sure I have seen a video interview of Andrew Kelley transparently saying that ages ago but I’ll try and find it to link it here.

      • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 days ago

        That’s interesting.

        I dunno if that’s any better. Compiler development is hard, and expensive.

        I dunno what issue they have with LLVM, but it would have to be massive to justify building around it and then switching away to re-invent it.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
        24·
        2 days ago

        I’ve never even heard of Zig before today and it’s right out of the gate with drama, cat fights, and public spats. Got to love the programming world.

        • TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Oh I did not mean to appear combative or being a contrarian. I don’t even care about Zig or LLVM to be honest. I just thought that that clarification was sort of necessary seeing as the GitHub thing is a reaction to MS bullshit, whereas the LLVM thing at least seemed to me like it wasn’t (initially) from some drama or a secret or anything.

          Still, this is assuming I’m not just hallucinating what I am claiming.

        • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          2 days ago

          I think that comes from Andrew Kelley having strong opinions, sometimes with harsh language added. It’s like the internet is over-correcting for the much stronger and harsher early internet days, so he’s admonished for being “unprofessional”. I don’t care for this sanded-down squeaky-clean vision of the internet that is being pushed for, particularly by the corporate crowd.

        • biggeoff@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 days ago

          Tbh zig is as chill as an iceberg compared to rust! I really appreciate the mindset of “c with rough edges removed” that zig promotes. Already using it in our companies stm32 projects

        • sunbeam60@feddit.ukEnglish
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          2 days ago

          The Zig core team is pretty chill and pretty united around strong engineering ethos. And tbf their own compiler is pretty performant and produces similar level quality code. The argument that compiler dev is hard falls fairly flat when they are succeeding in developing their own compiler.

  • biofaust@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 days ago

    I am a wanna-be coding data analyst who has decided to start directly in Codeberg, more because of anti-US than anti-AI sentiment.

    I have 2 questions for everyone more experienced than me and in general more knowledgeable of the market dynamics:

    1. How far is Forgejo/Codeberg from feature parity with Github?
    2. I don’t see any public SaaS/tools connecting to Codeberg as they are with Github. Is this by design or is it due to lack of reception? And, in your opinion, what would be a kind of service/connector that would really change things if made available for Codeberg?
    • killabeezio@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      3 days ago

      I highly doubt there will ever be parity. There will also be some differences where there can be improvements made over GitHub. Right now you only hear about individuals moving over or open source software. This is mainly because they don’t need the enterprise features that GitHub has. I am not sure if you self hosted forgejo if you would get those as well. It’s meant to be free. This is the biggest thing that would be missing. For individuals, I don’t think you’ll notice many differences.

      For your second question. It doesn’t matter. What matters is git. There are 2 main ways to access this. SSH and http. All you really need is git. There are other tools out there like gitlab. Gitlab is pretty decent too, but the workflow is a bit different. You can even self host with gitlab too. You may not see many direct integrations to gitlab either, but people have been working with it for years now. There is also bitbucket. I think forgejo has a better chance at succeeding though if it continues to do what it’s doing. Just tailor to the free and open source community. Really the only thing people need to do is create an account and set up some ssh keys. Beyond creating an account, there is no difference in how you clone a repo from GitHub and codeberg. Just copy the URL and do git clone.

      TL;DR GitHub and codeberg have different missions. It will be a similar experience and features for individuals or open source projects are close to the same on both platforms. You probably won’t notice much of a difference.