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There is a huge difference between liberals and those who scream that they’re liberals. The same way as most loud democrats are fascists, but with slightly different slogans.
But this situation doesn’t mean that liberalism, democracy, etc, are bad. They are just scarce. And too often used by crazy shits to hide their real intentions.
Liberalism is not synonymous with democracy and refers to a democratic government that isn’t too powerful, doesn’t decide too much what people may or may not do (religious freedom, socially liberal, free speech, etc), has open borders, and a very free capitalist market (only minimal involvement by the government to ensure no monopolies). It should be more or less something like this, it’s been a while since I last checked the definitions.
In a leftist context the criticisms against liberalism are usually aimed at the capitalist aspects of liberalism while conservatives are opposed to the socially liberal parts (and any part that is supposed to counteract corruption). Leftists in general dislike liberalism and feel it ultimately ends in fascism because of the incentives and structures in capitalist societies. The main goal in captitalism after all is greed; that the few should amass wealth and property via exploiting others. Monopolization and hierarchies is built into capitalism at its very core and we consider this to not be compatible with democracy (at the very least in the long run).
There are more criticisms and I’m sure others are better at explaining them, but the main thing is that we don’t believe liberalism is capable of implementing true lasting democracy, and that when it temporarily does it’s at the expense of people elsewhere.
Cool, so do libs want to collab wiyh us on some compromise between ‘open birders’ and ‘no borsers’?
Or do they just build concentration camps for immigrants that the fasch will eventually stick me in, and the border enforcement shutzstaffel they’ll use to do it?
Do libs want to work with us on free speech, or do they keep increasing the power of copyright and web censorship?
You’re talking about fantasy bullshiy imaginary psople who don’t exist.
In the US, Obama’s administration was publicly against “boots on the ground” since it was largely unpopular in “liberal” circles after Bush’s “War on Terror”. Instead, Obama’s administration increased drone based missions to do the violent bidding of the owning class.
“Liberals” may talk a great game about immigration reform, ending prisons like Guantanimo, net neutrality and protecting consumers from the owning class. When action is required “liberals” continue to advance the owning classes agenda using means that do not look bad to their base. Japanese internment camps were an executive order by a “liberal” President.
This is US centric, but the issues are inherent to Liberalism. Historical non-fiction is a genre of book.
I’m talking about the dictionary definition of liberalism. Real implementations of ideologies ofc will diverge from the definitions. Again, the part of my comment about how liberalism isn’t compatible with democracy and how liberalism is also defined by democracy should tell you a bit about why liberalism isn’t always as good as the ideal :P
Additionally liberalism is a broader definition and there are more specific versions of it as well. A liberal party might not specifically claim to be a specific kind of liberalism, but they are likely not the most general version
Also! Liberalism varies from country to country. I’m not american and liberalism here is different from your liberalism. That should also be noted. It’s a just as flawed ideology here mind you, but they aren’t putting people in camps (but they are perfectly willing to work with the populists ofc).
Whoever wrote that dictionary is fucking stupid.
Also, when them damn lefties say to read books about politics, we do not mean ‘the dictionary’.
I should maybe have been clearer and said the political science definition? What I described is at least what liberalism means in a more formal context. Other definitions are more informal and will vary based on region and context.
I have the utmost respect for that field, second only ro business and possibly law degrees.
I’ll stop calling liberals fash enablers when they ally with commies against fash like at all.
No but you don’t understand! There’s a coalition! How dare you betray it by not sucling fasch dick!
“Compromise with us when we work with the fascists and give them what they want, and maybe in 4 to 8 years you’ll have a minimum wage increase. If you don’t like this, we never needed you anyways, you’re just purity testing us!”
Well, fascism is actually the fault of the communists and muslims and anarchists who stabbed biden+harris in the back, for which we can never be forgiven. They would have won if not for us STABBING THEM IN THE BACK, and it would all be okay.
Someone didn’t pay attention in history class.
Oh like WW2 when they allied with the commies to fight the fash who the commies were allied with?
That’s pretty funny
From my perspective, it’s the Jedi that are evil
Thanks to the OP for more quality shitlib slander.
Slander implies it isn’t true!
