where do you stand on the socialist spectrum? i’ll start: my socialist views are a fusion of market socialism, welfarism, georgism and left-libertarianism - i took the leftvalues quiz (as shown in the photo attached in this post), and i got “centrist marxism”. you DON’T have to take the quiz though.
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A democracy deciding to nationalize an industry is not authoritarian to me. I do believe in individual rights and such but that again has to be determined in a democractic process. So any restriction to democracy must come from a democratic process. We are just going to disagree on the spectrum thing because we define them differently.
It’s absolutely authoritarian, but that doesn’t make it bad or not democratic. Authority is using the power of the state to certain ends.
you can say any democratic action is authoritarian then. Its not a given that industries are private or that private property is a thing. This is something agreed on democratically. The first thing a democracy has to do is setup its structure and within that is the method to change the structure.
The state doesn’t need to exist forever. The enforcement of will of one part onto another is using authority and thus authoritarian, though I don’t think that’s inherently a bad thing.
yeah again though that means any action is authoritarian. authoritarian is not about specific actions. Its about action being taken by one or a limited number of folks without input from all individuals. In an ideal type of democracy it would be like the borg and every decision would be decided by a majority of all but realistically you have a republic where representatives are agreed upon to take action. A single president taking action that has been allowed and is legal by majority in creation of the sytem or by their congressional reps and who further assigned the job by a majority in a process agreed to by the majority is democratic. The same action taken by someone who took power by force is authitarian. the action itself is not authoritarian or democratic.
Democracy means rule by the majority, though. It sounds more like you’re trying to narrowly define words your own way.
I already explained the borg vs republic issue. A republic is still a democracy its just less so on the spectrum from direct democracy. Just like a sole king or more authoritarian than a cabal of olgiarchs.
Sure, you explained your POV on it.
yes. exactly. we have fundamental differences of opinion and there is no way we can go given our two perspectives.