Imagine spending your time doing this stupid shit and then thinking you’re not a loser.
It’s personal opinion, as is yours except they at least said so.
Which action do you referring to?
I sincerely think a larger part of those are just bots fanning the flames. People go on and on about not wanting to see politics in this and that, but fail to realize that they are being conditioned to see red on anything other than what they look like or believe in, which then makes them comment political dumb takes on anything and everything they can.
insert “This car is woke” meme here
It would be interesting to test with other groups of people. For example, when happens if all my review says is “I don’t like jews” or “I don’t like Americans/Russians/Chinese people”.
So long as you’re equal opportunity with your hate it’s good to go.
Wouldn’t a more comparable test be “I don’t like Christians” or “I don’t like vegans”? If they say Jews it’s often racist, not about their personal beliefs.
“Muslims” is often used in a racist way to mean brown people, not just refer to a religious group. “Jews” is used in the same way, to refer to an ethnic group as often as a religion.
The two are used by racists in almost the exact same way. “Christians” are mainly white, so racists dont often attack them at all, especailly since a large contingent of the racists are christian.
Is that a US thing? I’ve never seen that use in Europe (yet?)
You’ve never seen “Jews” used to refer to the ethnic group… in europe?
I think they’re talking about referring to Muslims as an ethnic group. Jews does literally mean either the religion or the ethnic group.
The “Chinese” one, I’m seeing it more and more from western reviewers.
This is where we are now?
C’mon, Valve has been extremely off hands in moderating their platform since day one. It’s a problem, especially since their business model is to provide people value for using their service over DRM-free and piracy options.
Let’s comment this exact same shit under every single Christian game in the market.
“Sorry I just don’t agree with their immoral lifestyle.”
“Eww this is pushing too many hateful Christian ideals. Not recommended.”
Everywhere.
I unironically want to see reviews like this. I don’t want to bother with anything more religious than Doom.
Yeah, as the days go by, I think by now it is just time to start using fire against fire. “This game is too woke - 1 hour played” on CoD or Battlefield just to make a point on how stupid their opinions are.
in this case it seems like they were pretty hands on since they intervened specifically to override the developer removing the comment
Out of all the things to get mad about this is wild.
Don’t be mad about YOUR thing, be mad about MY thing! MY thing MEATTERS!! 1!1!
Have you been on steam at all in the last decade? A review saying “this game is woke and has muslims” in it is so mild. Its not 2014 anymore.
L take
Does this reflect Mod or the organisation? Perhaps lighting up for the organisation directly or as here, via wider social/ community discussions?
Based dev and I wishlistrd that game because it looks fun and I want to support them for the response alone, but I think I kind of agree with that decision, or can at least see where it’s coming from. Disliking a game for its political message seems entirely valid to me, if someone made an otherwise amazing game but the message is “hitler was great actually”, I’d like to be able to negatively review that. And since it’s not review bombing but actual individual idiots, it shouldn’t have a big impact wrt to the ratio. If anything I read a review like that and become more interested in the game. Allowing it at least keeps them honest.
Though “it has muslims” as a negative review reason still seems like it should be removed just for being racist (or if i were to give the reviewer way more benefit of the doubt than they deserve, sounding racist. I guess in theory they could just not like religions in games, but let’s be real they’d love if it were christians instead).
Its a “valid,” review in that it does describe how they dont like the game and why, and hinestpy thats better than 90% of reviews. However, and this is a big however, racists should not get a pass and should be banned and removed for being racist. We should not brook these type of people and especially not give them a platform. It only makes things worse. Stamp the problem out with prejudice.
Problem is that “Hitler” is an individual while “Muslim” is multiple groups of people all with different views.
Also yeah it’s usually used as synonym for “brown people.”
So the hypothetical wouldn’t be okay if we changed hitler to nazis since that’s a group of hitlers.
Yeah all nazis are fascist as they are defined by that.
What do all Muslims have in common?
I mean all branches, all backgrounds, all genders, in entire history.What is something you can define all Muslims by? Mumins and munafiqs, sufis and maturidis, religious and non-religious, child and adult, Ahl al-Ra’y and Ahl al-Hadith, etc.
You can’t really classify people by something and then make assumptions about them based on something else.
That would be like republicans saying “I am not a Nazi because I am not german.”
Looks like someone forgot what quotation marks mean.
Who?
he’s pointing out that the quotation is not exact to what the review said, but like it was a twitter post or something, and the quotated meaning was spot on anyways, so he’s being pedantic for no good reason.
the reviewer is part of the ‘media should not comment on politics’ crowd who considers a persons race or nationality, as long as it’s not the same as theirs, to be a political statement in of its self.
so a moral-less class-less racist loser
…being pedantic for no good reason
Nuance has meaning. While I don’t agree with the political statement the reviewer was making, it is not the same statement OP was accusing them of (though by implication, the reviewer likely does hate muslims).
This isn’t the Oxford comma where genuine misunderstandings are unlikely—using quotes incorrectly is dishonest. It isn’t pedantry to look at a quote and take it to be a direct attribution.
“nobody thought I was direct quoting when I said that you are just being pedantic” - Affidavit
Looks like you forgot that prescriptivism belongs in textbooks, you boreish snob
Looks like you forgot that prescriptivism belongs in textbooks, you boreish snob. Also, I pooped my pants.
It isn’t just text books where quotes are used. People understand quotation marks to mean they are direct quotes. Using them incorrectly in this manner is dishonest. The person OP is complaining about is clearly a douche, but given the context, Valve is not (quite) as bad as they imply by refusing to remove the review.
Go clean yourself up.
Looks like someone forgot language is made by the speakers
looks like its just a mod drunk on a bit of power rather then Valve itself.
That may be the case but it is frustrating that companies can hide behind the bad actions of those working on their behalf or are an independent subsidiary that a normal person can’t distinguish between.
Valve’s stance can be determined by their action or inaction on this.
Yeah, what’s wrong with supporting the arbitary, unnearned hatred of ethnic groups?
Muslim isn’t really an ethnic group though. It’s a religion represented in every race.
It isn’t a specific organization of any one particular faith though. It’s a category. I don’t know how many Muslim organized groups there are, but my guess is that they all don’t agree on who they consider Muslim. If you want to say ‘‘this particular organization is responsible for…’’ that can be accurate and holding that specific group of people or individuals in that group accountable for their actions is valid. But to say ‘this entire category of people I can blame or hold accountable of any and all of the people I consider Muslim’s actions’ that’s prejudice and bigotry, or whatever you want to call hatred based on category.
I’m not arguing that all Muslims are the same, although I agree there are those who would, and they would be wrong and biased. We see the same generalizations about every type of group though.
I think people need to look at the definition of a ‘review’ - it’s subjective. If you have a game that’s woke/politically driven, and someone points that out in a review, I don’t see the issue - it’s their opinion. Get over it - grow some thicker skin. Seems like nobody can say anything nowadays without being called a racist.
Didn’t realize this place was overrun with hive-mind liberals, just like Reddit.
Lol most of the people here would be offended you called them a liberal because they think liberals are too far right wing. You are in the very wrong neighborhood so to speak.
gesticulates in the direction of the door
Are you suggesting that in order to not be “woke” or “political”, it must only have cisgendered, white Christian people in it? That acknowledging the mere existence of people outside your manicured view of reality is anathema? Because that’s the exact implication of the “review” you’re defending. The hypocrisy is honestly pitiable. I am so glad that you stuffing your ears and screaming “lalala” whenever someone mentions the existence of people unlike you doesn’t have any effect on the world around you. It’s a shame we can’t erase all of the other societal and geochemical effects of such blithering idiocy as yours and those of this “reviewer” as easily as your lot erase others. The paradox of tolerance is a solvable problem. The basic social contract says those who cannot tolerate others need not be tolerated.
Edit: ITT: an example of good moderation.
First, go read the definition of a review - I think it outlines it perfectly. Second, I merely pointed out what the reviews said (woke/ political) - didn’t say that was my opinion, because I never actually played the game.
Sure, some peoples views will make their reviews bias, but that’s still their opinion of the game (or whatever the review is about). You can’t just remove peoples reviews because you disagree with their ideology.
And I didn’t see any racism or any other forms of hate in those reviews. Saying that he didn’t like it because he saw muslims in the game isn’t racism.
Nobody is arguing if is a review or not. Only you. The dev point is that is a racist review (Islamophobic if you want the be technical about) and shouldn’t be allowed to stay. And if you don’t see the racism/bigotry in it, then you are incredibly stupid.
You should be free to be rude online. It’s useful to know who the rude ones are so you can avoid them. Censoring is a bad idea in this case, and I believe Valve has taken the correct stance.
Expressing that a group of people shouldn’t exist is way further than being rude.
People have always been horrible. It’s better for them to it themselves than it is to hide them.
Sticks and stones…
I don’t like Christians
Jesus Fucking Christ christians can be so freaking annoying sometimes
I don’t like anyone that wants to make laws based on their favorite fairytale.
For clarification… People named Christian, people of Christian belief, or both?
People named Christian have been good people in my life. So far…
thats okay! as long as your bullying no one.
just sayingI don’t think I could if I tried lol. Maybe I’m weak or maybe that’s just empathy.
Edit: I actually don’t hate any Christian people that I know. I’ve never personally met someone that wished me ill or treated me badly because of their religious faith. I also live in a fairly conservative area of California with plenty of MAGA flags around. Even my MAGA neighbors smile and wave at me. I’m brown with a large beard too. I’m lucky is what I’m getting at. I know a lot of places aren’t as accepting as my home. I feel for those that don’t feel comfortable leaving their homes (or even in their homes)
Good to know Valve is on record as defending islamophobia. Should align with the views of many of their current game customers.
I just see it as defending free speech
That raises the question of whether or not this is free speech, though. Free speech doesn’t require that we tolerate intolerance.
Have you been to their forums? They tolerate and defend much worse than that review.
What does leaving this review up harm? Are you afraid a Muslim person would read it and be offended? That might actually be a useful review for some people, as they might like the things this person hates.
I dont see the harm in this. From what I can read they said “also has Muslims.” That tells me the game has Muslims, and that the reviewer doesnt like Muslims. Maybe I like Muslims, and want to see what thats about.
More specifically, they wrote “Also has Muslims… No one is asking for this type of stuff.” At least that’s how it is in the OP screenshot, though a screenshot in another comment doesn’t have the second part.
Though I agree that leaving that clown show up is useful.
tbf it doesn’t say “i don’t like muslims”
https://steamcommunity.com/id/breakzoras/recommended/2451100/I mean. The sentiment is kinda the same in this case. But yeah, do t use quotations if it isn’t a quote.
No, it’s significantly worse than just that.
it is quite clear that the reviewer is racist, but they didn’t write anything that is racist
Did I suggest that they did? No, the problem is that every single line in that shit is trying to erase a portion of humanity that already exists. It’s not just normalising hatred, it’s making a normative statement that anything which acknowledges the mere existence of anyone unlike this bezoar of fetid smegma must be some attempt to brainwash all five neurons in that glob of rotting meat they have the temerity to call their ‘brain’
The whole movement is gaslighting, but on a societal scale.
That is where you are at
