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    4 months ago

    The order of holy transport

    • bike
    • e bike
    • walking
    • electric motorcycle/moped
    • electric car

    (Ebike might have a lower co2 emissions than a bike. Depends on what you eat and where you live)

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        4 months ago

        Pretty hard to guestimate as it’s anywhere from bike efficiency to more than ev efficiency.

        What makes it hard is capacity. A fully packed electric train will be the most efficient transport mechanism. A mostly empty fossil fuel train can be as bad or worse than ICE vehicles.

        If you have one available, then it’s probably your best bet to lowering impact.

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        Yup, this is perhaps surprising to some.

        Bikes win hands down by being the most efficient form of energy usage for transport. Walking requires a lot more calories to travel the same distance you can go on a bike. Those calories come from farming and that (diet dependent) very quickly can outpace any lifetime savings from using a bike. A bike is about ~99% efficient at converting energy into motion.

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        No.

        EVs are more efficient than the low range for the motorcycle. If you charged your EV with a portable gas generator, your efficiency is comparable to an ICE motorcycle. Most grids at this point are quite a bit less CO2 intense than a personal generator. That cuts significantly on the CO2 impact.

        The only upside to a motorcycle is the reduced energy requirements for manufacturing. But lifetime, an EV will be the clear winner.

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          Google tells me powergrid emissions for ecars is 60-200gC/mile.

          1 gallon of gas contains 8900gC.

          A Honda NC750 gets 70mpg, a Honda wave gets 160.

          8900/160=55

          8900/70=120