• FourThirteen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    162·
    27 days ago

    The image is nearly 10 months old!

    Anyone that is not using Libre Wolf or equivalent should be to take advantage of the wonderful privacy suite.

    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      162·
      27 days ago

      Yeah but its a soft fork, inherently dependent on mozilla.

      Mozilla is circling the drain, determined to drive away the last of its users.

      • ballgoat@lemmy.zipEnglish
        62·
        27 days ago

        Who cares if it’s a soft fork as long as it’s open source? The point is to keep the fork clean and if Mozilla fails, the community can just take it over.

        • picnic@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          26 days ago

          Dunno how pale moon is doing nowadays, but forks either follow the bigger principles of the base project or wither into obscureness if the base project changes underlying technologies.

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          51·
          26 days ago

          Not really.

          Mozilla spends many millions a year on devs for their browser.

          If they stop doing that, LibreWolf won’t have any patches or updates.

          The community is t going to take over from mozilla.

          • ballgoat@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            26 days ago

            I’m not saying it would be easy, but that’s the whole point behind open source. We’d have to at least try.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              25 days ago

              “the community taking over” is not the whole point behind open source.

              There’s plenty of open source projects that need 100s of developers with niche credentials and experience to maintain.

              If mozilla dies, and that’s the current trajectory, then ladybug or similar will be our refuge.

              • ballgoat@lemmy.zipEnglish
                1·
                25 days ago

                Yes, “the community taking over” is the entire ideology behind open source. Thats what it means. Anyone can develop it. It doesn’t mean that it needs to happen, just that part of the freedom you have is to do so. You’re conflating the two.

  • Suavevillain@lemmy.worldEnglish
    252·
    27 days ago

    Yeah I’m switch off Firefox finally. I tried Floorp it does have some the same AI stuff you have to turn off. Waterfox doesn’t have it in at all. So Waterfox it is.

    • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      27 days ago

      Floorp

      I don’t think I will ever be able to pass past this name. It’s a name of something that sci-fi comedic cartoon will create for a passing joke.

      • Xenny@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        27 days ago

        I actually use floorp. It’s literally the most customizable Firefox fork. It’s the only Firefox fork that allows me to have my tab bar exactly correct the way I want it.

        But yeah name’s stupid. I kind of love it though. It’s so non-serious

        • Glifted@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          27 days ago

          I’m still not convinced that name isn’t an elaborate joke. Like I could download the browser and be typing this comment on it and still think “man, they went all-in on this prank”

        • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          27 days ago

          It’s also a good verb. “I’ll floorp it later”. “Send me the link, I’ll floorp it to myself”.
          Does it support profiles? If so, I’ll give it a floorp, just to see how it floorps.

      • Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.clubEnglish
        3·
        27 days ago

        Honestly the way they (by default) change home tab background for each visit is absolutely adorable.

        All my 'puters have Water, Wolf, and Floo.

      • Flagstaff@programming.devEnglish
        71·
        27 days ago

        Discord doesn’t like it when it comes to voice-chat in the Android app, sadly (even though I know we should all leave Discord, but Revolt and Matrix can barely hold candles to the flame of its incredibly sophisticated streaming system), but yes, I’ve been on Waterfox for some time now.

  • sudoer777@lemmy.mlEnglish
    17·
    27 days ago

    “Firefox is evolving into an agentic browser, connecting devices, cloud, and AI to unlock intelligent productivity and secure work anywhere. Join us at #MozillaIgnite to see how frontier firms are transforming with Firefox and what’s next for the platform. We can’t wait to show you!”

  • KeenFlame@feddit.nuEnglish
    2·
    25 days ago

    I swapped for librewolf and enjoy all my shit still there. With ungoogled chromium for those sites that has some insane reason for the site breaking down when you look at it with anything but a missionary get. Trying helium too but yeah my Firefox is customized out the wazoo

      • neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        26 days ago

        Its a fork and they can choose to include the changes they want from upstream. They’ve come out and said they’re not adding this AI bullshit. Librewolf has done the same.

        So yes, base is firefox, but it’s not actually Firefox, in the same way edge uses chrome as its base (not exactly, but similar)

        • Kilgore Trout@feddit.itEnglish
          2·
          26 days ago

          in the same way edge uses chrome as its base

          It is much different than this. Edge is built on the Chromium engine, but that’s it. Waterfox is Firefox, as it’s shipped by Mozilla, only with some theme changes and flags disabled.

    • Rusty@lemmy.caEnglish
      441·
      27 days ago

      Long ago, the Four Fox Nations lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Firefox Nation attacked.

      • Kraiden@piefed.socialEnglish
        17·
        27 days ago

        A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new developer, a script kiddy named Aang. And although his python skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he’s ready to save anyone. But I believe Aang can save the world.

        • Jankatarch@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          27 days ago

          Given python is air what are water, ice, blood, fire, lightning, combustion, earth, metal, and energy?

          • Kraiden@piefed.socialEnglish
            6·
            27 days ago

            Ok, let’s do this:

            Air = Python Water = Javascript Ice = Typescript Fire = Java Lightning = Groovy Combustion = Kotlin Earth = C++ Metal = Rust Spirit = Assembly

  • obsoleteacct@lemmy.zipEnglish
    21·
    28 days ago

    I hope enough people remain on this AI infested ghost ship that it can keep providing a base for librewolf.

  • Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    7·
    27 days ago

    I’m still angry that an (optionally) AI browser isn’t the worst idea as a headline/dev direction … if you don’t read any further than the headline that is.

    I do want or eventually will need some local, foss AI to deal with all the megacorp bs AI that will be just everywhere on the internets (I can’t humanly fight the increasing megacorp slop, I need/will need my own AI to help me fight and navigate it, as a freedom necessity).
    Someone pls work on that, I don’t want to live in an internetless cave/woods for the rest of my life (the cave/woods is what I wish for regardless, it’s just a question of my need for internet access).

    But no, they decided to hammer their dicks with all the megamatacorp AIs. I mean, it’s prob marginally better than to forward ppl to sites or Chrome, but it’s not a thing that you would want publicized as a major step/direction, it’s at the very least distasteful.

      • Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.clubEnglish
        2·
        27 days ago

        Oh, qewl, that is almost what I meant if they pivot that way.

        (Something seems familiar with this, but can’t even decide if I heard about it before or not. If it would integrate in the everyday browsing experience without too much extra external data, this could eventually be the help I spoke about.)

    • ysjet@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      26 days ago

      It’s a fucking infection is what it is.

      Even HomeAssistant, which is literally meant to be the open source alternative to all the big tech megacorp enshittification, is now vibe coding their server core and most major plugins, as I found out recently.

      They’re also censoring discussion about it on their forums, when I tried bringing it up- everything hidden as ‘off topic.’

      A complete betrayal of their users, imo.

    • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      26 days ago

      Also AI could theoretically do an even better job at ad blocking and also block other annoying shit like autoplay videos and html5 popups (fuck any web dev that uses them without a user click prompting the popup, they are like the old style popups that were a cancer on the early web, only marginally better because they don’t try to bomb your browser/system like they occasionally would do back then).

      Though what I’d really like to see is a DOM designed to serve the user’s will rather than the webdevs’.

      • Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.clubEnglish
        3·
        26 days ago

        Yes, this is exactly what I meant, smart blocking (especially since nowdays ads are “content”), and at some point in the future when services (eg banks) will force you to go through their ultra-processed & upsalesy AI chat for everything you could just send in your own AI to deal with their bs AI trying to monetise everything.

    • N00byKing@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      27 days ago

      Pretty sure the translate feature is using local ai, which I think is great! Its not as accurate as others, but a lot more trustworthy at least

  • Alphonsus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    27 days ago

    I suggest they should also bring back continuous scrolling, it makes browsing and reading easier there.

    • sakuraba@lemmy.mlEnglish
      45·
      28 days ago

      Hold your click for at least one second on any link and it will show a preview of the link and suggest you to use AI to describe it

      • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        169·
        27 days ago

        So it’s entirely optional, you only encounter it by interacting with the browser in an atypical way, and the thing it does is a thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)? Sounds like they couldn’t stop themselves from joining the dick hammering bandwagon, but decided not to hit it too hard.

        • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
          71·
          27 days ago

          entirely optional

          No, it’s on by default, it has access to everything you’re browsing and doing fuck knows what with it, and you need to know that it is doing it and unless you’ve read it somewhere you don’t know that it’s there.

          thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)

          That’s so not true it’s not even funny.

          I mean yeah, it could be worse, everything could be worse. Still, not good, not good at all.

        • sakuraba@lemmy.mlEnglish
          4·
          27 days ago

          Holding my click on a volume slider triggered the feature so it quickly became really annoying

        • kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish
          16·
          27 days ago

          This isn’t my wheelhouse so take it with a grain of salt, but an argument against link summarizers that I’ve heard is that it takes views away from websites that could be generating revenue for themselves. Instead an LLM scraped their content and fed a summary directly to the user.

          • quantumcrop@lemmy.todayEnglish
            51·
            27 days ago

            It’s more of a concern with google summaries that show up at the top of search results because it completely removes the need to click on any of the websites it pulls from. Ideally a link summary just lets you figure out which link you need without clicking on and looking at each one.

            • kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish
              1·
              27 days ago

              Thanks for adding that detail, makes sense. I was thinking the link previews were yeah more like the google results. Hover over and not have to go to the site.

          • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            72·
            27 days ago

            Do people making that argument also find ad blockers even ten percent as horrible as this? They both ultimately have the same effect, which is your web browser not maximizing someone else’s profits by denying them a revenue opportunity.

            I’d be curious if the link summarizer in Firefox runs a model locally or calls some remote API. Most current machines ought to be able to run an appropriate LLM model for that task.

            • kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish
              3·
              27 days ago

              That’s a good question. I’d personally argue that it’s different in that the adblockers are not an inbuilt part of Firefox, they’re made by extension developers. This is built right into the browser.

        • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          72·
          27 days ago

          you only encounter it by interacting with the browser in an atypical way

          Leaving my pointer on a random place that happens to be a link is atypical? I don’t think it is. I had this pop up to me a couple of days ago and I didn’t even understand what could’ve triggered it, I was wondering if I clicked something or pressed a key unconsciously.

          and the thing it does is a thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)

          Pretty decent? Just passable, if the text is about some run-of-the-mill topic.

          • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            34·
            27 days ago

            Doesn’t do that for me. I have to hold left click on a link for over a second to trigger it.

            And yeah, pretty decent. It can produce a basically summary of a fair amount of text pretty quickly and generally accurately. It’s not an expert wordsmith, it won’t give a deep and thoughtful analysis of the poem you pointed it at or anything, but that’s not the use case. The use case is “give me the key bullet points of this article so I can decide if I should give it more attention.”, and it does that job pretty well.

            • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              27 days ago

              generally accurately

              This is absolutely, demonstrably, documentedly not true. It is accurate sometimes, and sometimes it shows you absolute bullshit. When will it be accurate? Who knows. So you can use it only when you don’t care about the truth, in which case why even bother, just imagine the article said what you wanted it to say and be done with it

              • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
                1·
                27 days ago

                Depends on model tuning. Basically, you can tune a model to hallucinate less, or to write more human-like, but not really both at the same time, at least not for a model you could expect most users to run locally. For this sort of application (summarizing text), you’d tune heavily against hallucination, because ideally your bullet points are going to mostly be made up of direct paraphrase of article text, with a very limited need for fluid writing or anything even vaguely creative.

                • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  27 days ago

                  Basically, you can tune a model to hallucinate less

                  You can tune it to hallucinate more, you can’t tune it to not hallucinate at all, and that’s what matters. You need it to be “not at all” if you want it to be useful, otherwise you can never be sure that it’s not lying, and you can’t check for lies other than reading the article, which defies the whole purpose of it.

            • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              26 days ago

              Doesn’t do that for me. I have to hold left click on a link for over a second to trigger it.

              I misunderstood the previous comments, actually, yeah, it’s not triggered the way I assumed.

              The use case is “give me the key bullet points of this article so I can decide if I should give it more attention.”, and it does that job pretty well.

              I’ll put aside all the other complaints I have on my mind, because we’ve both probably gone through similar discussions, I don’t want to get bogged down in yet another, and just say that I honestly can’t imagine this being such a useful or time-saving thing in the first place. Like, did it use to be a frequent problem to you to start reading an article, realise you’re not interested, and give up on it?

        • gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          3·
          27 days ago

          *yet

          The new CEO is an AI True Believer, and I don’t doubt this will last.

          They’ll remove the options to turn it off, and make it full of the AI features, with no opt-out or opt-in

      • Skua@kbin.earth
        21·
        28 days ago

        Settings > scroll down to “General” > look at the options under “Enable link previews”. You can turn the previews off altogether or just turn off the AI part

        • Nalivai@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          27 days ago

          Yeah, you can also opt out of your planet being demolished to build the intergalactic highway, the form is in the basement.
          Incidentally, most of the new llm bullshits are on by default and can’t be turn off in the settings, you need to go to about:config and search for .ml to do so (not to be confused with .ml instance of lemmy which you also can’t easily opt out of). Obviously this settings aren’t synchronised between instances by “synchronise all settings” thingy which they need my personal info for, why would it, so you need to do it every time. Also also they sometimes revert back with major updates, because obviously they are.

        • dreamos82@lemmy.worldEnglish
          81·
          27 days ago

          In my opinion this is one of the main issues. All those features should be disabled by default, and only the user decide if they want to enable them!

          But they are doing the opposite.

        • sakuraba@lemmy.mlEnglish
          31·
          27 days ago

          Thanks I already did that, but it still ticks me off that I had to find out they added this while using the browser. This shit should be off by default.

        • tiramichu@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          342·
          27 days ago

          This is a defence only until it isn’t - although thank you for the tip.

          That’s how Windows has been going for years - adding more and more crap and make it all default enabled, and people are like “Oh just turn it off bro.”

          Then every update adds more unwanted options that get increasingly difficult to turn off, or randomly turn themselves back on, and before you know it we’ve reached a point where every new install soon needs an entire checklist to go through to make things actually usable again.

          That is not how life should be. I want something that respects me by default, and if it wants me to try a feature I might find even slightly objectional, I should have to explicitly opt-in and say YES.

          Firefox is setting a precedent by moving in this direction, and they’ve showed their hand. There’s only more where this came from, and I won’t tolerate it, even if I can turn it off.

          When the Firefox terms and conditions drama happened some months back, that was the push I needed to switch to Librewolf. It’s a Firefox fork with privacy-respecting settings out of the gate, no sponsored content, no ads, uBlock pre-installed, and absolutely zero AI. If you’re a Firefox user, I recommend you try it too.

    • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      28 days ago

      The article does say that we should always be able to turn off the AI part.

    • kieron115@startrek.websiteEnglish
      14·
      27 days ago

      There are a bunch of flags in about:config you can check as well, if you wanna be extra sure they’re turned off. Just search for browser.ml. There are more but this was all I could capture in one screenshot. Bold means I had to change it, which means it was on by default. That said I’m using CachyOS repos, not the direct Arch ones.