Why would I want AI to play the game other than for testing?
I guess Elon won’t be needing gamers’ services to max out his characters anymore.
Fucking AI taking valuable jobs away again.
Why the fuck is AI always being applied to only parts of society that are fun?
So you can spend more time working shit jobs for shit pay. Aren’t you happy? 😊
AI took that too! Oops all joblessness! 🤩
I want LLMs to be used to create thousands of characters that have agency in like, Skyrim or something, and to watch the absolutely unhinged fucking chaos of what it creates.
I don’t want it to play games for me.
I don’t even want that, I’d rather a game have its characters and writing created with intent by a person who cares.
That would be so freaking cool
AI will do all the fun and creative things for you so you can get back to work
FYI: Stuff like this is for automated testing, not “playing games for you” 🤣
Also, I won’t consider it realistic until it can type out, “lol git gud scrub” after ganking someone who just spawned.
Makes sense. Upscaling and video interpolation instead of optimisation. Image generation instead of artists. Now this instead of actual testing.
The 💩💩💩 gaming industry is going to somehow get even worse.
Good games are orthogonal to AI usage. It’s possible to have a great game that was written with AI using AI-generated assets. Just as much as it’s possible to have a shitty one.
If AI makes creating games easier, we’re likely to see 1000 shitty games for every good one. But at the same time we’re also likely to see successful games made by people who had great ideas but never had the capital or skills to bring them to life before.
I can’t predict the future of AI but it’s easy to imagine a state where everyone has the power to make a game for basically no cost. Good or bad, that’s where we’re heading.
If making great games doesn’t require a shitton of capital, the ones who are most likely to suffer are the rich AAA game studios. Basically, the capitalists. Because when capital isn’t necessary to get something done anymore, capital becomes less useful.
Effort builds skill but it does not build quality. You could put in a ton of effort and still fail or just make something terrible. What breeds success is iteration (and luck). Because AI makes iteration faster and easier, it’s likely we’re going to see a lot of great things created using it.
Great! Now the AI can play the video games for me while I do the dishes. I swear it was the other way around in the SciFi.
Shut up and get back down the mines or your robot manager-security-cop will have to terminate you. Meet your billionaire-enforced quota and you’ll live to enjoy another day of mining.
Merry Christmas from Chiron Beta Prime :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3DyxaCYlfg
Plot twist: turns out that at some point, the billionaire got replaced by robots who have learned to be megalomaniac assholes.
Y’all laugh but there are way too many people into idle games, not to mention people who prefer watching a stream (even without commentary) over playing a game itself.
I cannot comprehend why, though, just like I can’t comprehend how cheating (particularly single player) can be fun.
Cheats in single player games is a blast.
It gets old quick but it’s fun for a while.
I don’t watch others playing games, either, but someone who likes those streams told me he didn’t see a difference between watching good gamers play games and good football players play football.
You never used cheat codes in GTA San Andreas and the like? It’s a lot of fun
I actually thought about that after my comment and summoning a tank from nowhere was fun. At least for a little bit… but maybe mostly for the novelty of it all. Also I was like, 12.
I mean it varies. It’s fun to just goof off in games sometimes. That’s why sandbox games like Minecraft typically have creative modes, sometimes you just wanna play in the sandbox and have a good time without the more typical game parts tying you down
how cheating (particularly single player) can be fun
Have you never played a game with unreasonable grind that saps all the fun out of it ? Often just to drive player hours and ‘engagement’. Multiplayer cheats however can die in a fire.
Then just don’t play that game lmao
I suppose. When I’m referring to cheats, it’s more in regards to invulnerability, infinite resources, etc., which seem to sap the point of having a game in the first place. Like making the fun parts into a grind, rather than the other way around.
That said, I’ll also say sometimes part of the challenge is the grind, so it depends. You have to pick your own poison, right?
Like, take Silksong for example. You lose out on the full experience if you mod out the annoying run from bench to boss, it’s like a 40 second annoyance built in punishment. But I get why you’d do that-- it’s technically there for a reason but I get it. Hell, even the difficulty adjustment mods I can understand.
But making the bosses die in one hit or making yourself invulnerable? Now you’ve lost me, that’s like a core element of the game; you might as well just watch someone else play it because what’s the point.
When I was a child I used to ask my dad to input the invulnerability cheat in Doom. I was way too bad at movement, aiming and basically just everything, that I could have had fun otherwise. Likewise for Anno 1602, there I needed the money cheat because otherwise I’d just go bankrupt. I didn’t understand the income balance yet but I still had fun building economy chains.
I’m not sure I have a point here. Just remembered cheating as a child because I needed it. Probably haven’t cheated in 18 years now.
My dad entered in codes for me when I was really little, but that’s kind of another thing entirely. I don’t think little kids have an achievement oriented sorta version of play, so anything goes with them. Once you’re older, that dopamine rush just hits differently, though.
In education you could also consider it a form of scaffolding. Enabling someone to do something they normally can’t do is a form of development, like giving handicaps in games and stuff can foster the skills to not need them eventually.
Good analogy. It also brought to mind the bumpers you can enable for kids in bowling.
I mean it used to be the norm for games to have cheat codes built into them. Maybe you get stuck on one part and need help, maybe you have fun spawning a bunch of weapons and going on a rampage (see GTA), or maybe you just want to see what happens if you spawn a giant enemy in a small room.
I was laughing along until you said “watching a stream (even without commentary)”. Yeah I’ve done that one. Sometimes I want to see what’s next in the game without spending 100 hours to get there ><. Also watching lets me mentally unwind, playing takes a mental toll.
I think we’re all kinda beat down by life, so I don’t really judge people on it. I just am not one of them, haha. (But I don’t even watch TV or movies much so I’m admittedly a weirdo).
I also don’t watch TV or movies – only Twitch streams. I’ve been this way even when not beaten down by capitalism and fascism though. Even when I’m taking a break from working on creative projects, it’s still nice to be able to turn my brain off and get the experience of seeing the game. Maybe my unmedicated ADHD makes me that way.
How much legal trouble would I get for kicking a CEO in the testicles? it feels like it would be worth it if I ever met NVIDIA’s bosses.
None if you don’t get caught. They’re not going to do a full investigation if you don’t try to murder the guy. Also, look how badly the current FBI fumbled the investigation into Charlie Kirk’s killer? into Brian Thompson’s killer?
It’s crazy how much Brian Thompson isn’t even a name in my head. If someone murders me, I only hope they’re not so charismatic that when people try to remember me they just picture a beige balloon named John Lastname.
Depends, are you rich?
Or remarkably good-looking?
Ton of dead multiplayer games that don’t have bots
This might be a legitimate use case… maybe. Depends on if it can learn games similar enough to humans. Which i doubt. Might be better to just code bot mods but idk, ai-players would be kinda cool. How long before we have to guess if a player is human, cheating, or a bot though?
The age of ai-generated streamers is coming…
People and corporations will automatize all the process and turn it into passive income, and a lot of people will somehow watch it, making the thing profitable.
I’m tired of all this…
A Minecraft and Roblox streamer tried that a year ago, primarily as a pitch to investors to make a service for other streamers to make AI-generated content. His name is Kwebbelkop. This guy managed to make the laziest brand of content I have ever even heard suggested as an idea: An AI avatar reading an AI reaction to an AI-generated image. And I thought reaction videos were bad…
I’m tired of all this…
Game companies: spend millions fighting cheating and cheat software.
Nvidia: here comes AI game assist!
Cheaters have been using object detection AI to cheat for quite some time
Next: game companies can subscribe to NVIDIA anti-AI-cheating AI. This is innovation under capitalism.
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Great,
And I’m guessing like all gen AI, it would be mediocre at best and never reach the top players.
Now all they need is a way to turn mediocre gameplay into money, surely that part would be easy
Also, I don’t think they could use it for testing as there could be plenty of false positive or negatives.
It’s already been a few years, before the LLM boom, but a neural networked figured out how to play Super Mario Bros by simply looking at the RAM and it mastered the game.
But that’s cheating no? The challenge is playing the game using user input with all the delays and extra steps that can happen along the way.
Also, optimizing a neural network for just one narrow use case is not what’s being discussed here.
ML is very, very good at narrow use cases, same with other tools of automation going back a century, they are talking about generic all purpose ML
Of course it‘s „cheating“, this was a fun research project that came to mind.
Racing games too, especially single player races.
If conditions are the same every run, it will eventually find the mathematically fastest way. I saw a video about a guy doing it, and after thousands of runs the bot noticed a glitch if the car wasn’t on four wheels allowing it to move insanely fast. Like grinding a rail in Tony Hawk, the bot would immediately do it, and run the entire course on the glitch.
That’s not human intelligence tho, that’s the same as when a slime mold can design a transportation network as effectively as we can.
Bold to assume having an AI play the game for testing is actually useful. Given how buggy games release nowadays i genuinely wonder which companies still properly have play testers. An AI whose results you mostly ignore is pointless.
I suspect it’s not a lack of playtesters that’s the problem, but harsh deadlines and crunch. That type of environment leads to tech debt to get things working fast, which leads to hard-to-manage code, which leads to bugs…
An AI whose results you mostly ignore is
pointlessgood for driving up the share price artificiallyftfy
I want AI to do my chores not play my games.
Right? Like, figure out how to sort and fold laundry.
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Silver lining: maybe it could be used to make some games more accessible for people with disabilities
Sorry, AI must only be inserted into places it isn’t actually wanted.
Work is hard, modern games are easy.
Shoot this dot, go to that dot, bring “x” to this dot…
Anything requiring critical thinking like a puzzle, the bot just brute forces trying every possible outcome until something works.
It works because games have a finite set of options and at least one progresses. The real world isn’t that clean, and you don’t get infinite chances to get 1 correct solution.
The ultimate conclusion to cheating in video games is literally just having the robot play them for you
Something is just wrong with their brains which allows them to derive pleasure from antisocial activity 🤷♀️
