Sure, I’ve seen that, so you got me thinking on it. The largest city near me has 1 way adult bus fare at $2.20 one way and express bus fare at $3.00. The city’s internal minimum wage is $25/hour. To add an extra vehicle you would need a minimum of 8.3 passengers per hour of service to recoup costs of just the driver’s wages. This doesn’t include vehicle maintenance or all the other costs of employment (contributions to his 401k, contributions to the pension fund, the employer match for personal insurance, workplace insurance, etc).
Realistically you probably need greater than 12 passengers per hour per extra vehicle you add and that’s on speculative hope that if you reach a certain coverage threshold people will use it rather than drive their own car. It explains itself why it’s a hard sell to politicians.
I think that generally depends on the city, but most cities will have what are known as Enterprise funds. This generally applies to things like the Utility Departments (water, power, and some cities even run an internet service provider) where rather than running on taxes these programs need to function almost entirely from funds they bring in for charging for their services. Things like road and sidewalk maintenance wouldn’t fall into Enterprise fund operation since there is no active service being rendered that can be charged for, though you could have toll roads but they are exceptionally unpopular in the US.
A bus or rail system could be an Enterprise fund, but it probably depends on where you’re at. The public transit system in NYC is an enterprise fund because they have enough usage that they can raise funds from services to cover their costs, but a bus system in a rural city might not be an enterprise fund if it’s being used almost solely to provide the elderly or poor with transportation.
In addition to Enterprise funds, US cities operate as businesses (ie they must have balanced budgets and operate within their means, they don’t get to act like the federal government and just close down). In most cases if you said we’re going to triple the buses/vans but now instead of being revenue neutral it’s going to lose money it won’t get approved.
Smaller buses. Some cities just use vans for smaller routes.
Sure, I’ve seen that, so you got me thinking on it. The largest city near me has 1 way adult bus fare at $2.20 one way and express bus fare at $3.00. The city’s internal minimum wage is $25/hour. To add an extra vehicle you would need a minimum of 8.3 passengers per hour of service to recoup costs of just the driver’s wages. This doesn’t include vehicle maintenance or all the other costs of employment (contributions to his 401k, contributions to the pension fund, the employer match for personal insurance, workplace insurance, etc).
Realistically you probably need greater than 12 passengers per hour per extra vehicle you add and that’s on speculative hope that if you reach a certain coverage threshold people will use it rather than drive their own car. It explains itself why it’s a hard sell to politicians.
Your public transit has to pay for itself? Are your roads and sidewalks self-funding too?
I think that generally depends on the city, but most cities will have what are known as Enterprise funds. This generally applies to things like the Utility Departments (water, power, and some cities even run an internet service provider) where rather than running on taxes these programs need to function almost entirely from funds they bring in for charging for their services. Things like road and sidewalk maintenance wouldn’t fall into Enterprise fund operation since there is no active service being rendered that can be charged for, though you could have toll roads but they are exceptionally unpopular in the US.
A bus or rail system could be an Enterprise fund, but it probably depends on where you’re at. The public transit system in NYC is an enterprise fund because they have enough usage that they can raise funds from services to cover their costs, but a bus system in a rural city might not be an enterprise fund if it’s being used almost solely to provide the elderly or poor with transportation.
In addition to Enterprise funds, US cities operate as businesses (ie they must have balanced budgets and operate within their means, they don’t get to act like the federal government and just close down). In most cases if you said we’re going to triple the buses/vans but now instead of being revenue neutral it’s going to lose money it won’t get approved.