Here’s the thing: there’s a real answer to that question.
What makes a trans woman a woman is her brain has developed as a woman’s brain. This development is set in progress while still in utero, and can become apparent as the relevant parts of the brain develop later. This is why many tabs people report realizing they were the opposite gender between the ages of 3 and 8.
Here are a number of studies that show the biological reality of transgender people. It’s important to note that although some of these studies suggest causation (ie, HOW a person is born transgender) we can’t know if there’s more than one cause, and therefore using any one test to see if somebody is “biologically trans” is impossible.
Sex vs Gender and the role of the SRY gene specifically (as opposed to the Y chromosome generally) in the development of each, as well as the possible role of AR (androgen receptor) gene https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6505576/
Estrogen signaling pathways identified which tell the brain to develop as one gender or the other, as well as mechanisms by which physical development can happen in one way while brain development can happen in the other https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53500-y
Don’t people refer to this as “transmedicalism” or “truscum”? In addition, why do many transgender people act more similarly to their agab? (Eg, some trans women act like men, some trans men act like women)
No, transmedicalism is the belief that somebody isn’t actually trans unless they meet certain medical criteria. I’m saying the opposite: that the lack of any particular medical criteria can’t be used to invalidate somebody being trans.
As for your second question, how a person behaves is a matter of nurture more than nature, but it’s also deeply engrained from a very early age. Even those trans people who put the effort in to overcoming this socialization can have old habits they struggle to get rid of.
I don’t see any difference between male and female ability in regards to intelligence.
Saying that their brain develops differently seems like an invitation to the argument, that women aren’t mentally able to do the stuff men do.
And I’m a cis-male - but I want to have every individual to live free regarding to their own will.
What do I care what you do in your bedroom and with whom or how anyone there identifies?
Propaganda for “traditional” baby-bearing systems are usually fascist and prepare for war, because they need more people to die at the front.
How can anybody be interested what I’m fucking doing with myself or my partner?
It’s just my/our personal thing and it should be of no one’s interest.
Else, where do we stop?
Should we make anal sex illegal, because we need babys?
Fuck all this shitheads trying to influence everybodies lives, just because everyone should live the same life as they do
Ok, got maybe a bit of topic, but I’m a bit picky, when it comes to differences between male and female brain development - and in the end capacity
The brain differences are extremely minor and as far as I understand it, the brain differences aren’t exclusive either.
This is a study I read a while back. I just skimmed it because I don’t have time to reread it right now, but it looks at brains as a mosiac instead of being on a continuum.
I don’t see any difference between male and female ability in regards to intelligence.
Saying that their brain develops differently seems like an invitation to the argument, that women aren’t mentally able to do the stuff men do.
This is a pretty slippery-slope-ish argument. Brains have plenty of differences that don’t have anything to do with general intelligence. There’s a lot going on in there.
It’s not just general intelligence that people discriminate on. For example it might be decided that emotional intelligence is what’s important, and that therefore one gender must be superior because they have more. It could be aggression or resilience. There are lots of reasons why people think that men or women are better besides general intelligence. So saying that there are any biological differences becomes something that either misandry or misogyny can exploit.
It may be exploitable, but it’s also the truth, and I prefer to be accurate. People can twist any truth to support bad policies or opinions; it’s the twisting that’s the problem, not the truth. But yes, we should be careful to try and prevent people from abusing these notions to further their negative agendas.
I’m not super familiar with what specific aspects of the brain are different between men and women, but the fact remains that there are differences at least in the manner in which the brain processes certain input related to sex & gender, as well as the cortical homunculus (which I suspect is probably the area of greatest contrast and even that’s pretty minimal).
Science has also looked at the question about difference in ability and found that there’s no statistically difference in the brain’s ability between men and women. So no, this isn’t a dangerous question that’s going to lead to a slippery slope of claiming that women are less able than men. That claim was already being made and has already been investigated and debunked.
I don’t see any difference between male and female ability in regards to intelligence.
Saying that their brain develops differently seems like an invitation to the argument, that women aren’t mentally able to do the stuff men do.
Pretty much every group of people will have slight differences in pretty much every area, if you look closely enough. So it makes sense that the most divisive biological things we have as a species (like biological sex) are going to yield some differences.
Here’s the thing: there’s a real answer to that question.
What makes a trans woman a woman is her brain has developed as a woman’s brain. This development is set in progress while still in utero, and can become apparent as the relevant parts of the brain develop later. This is why many tabs people report realizing they were the opposite gender between the ages of 3 and 8.
Here are a number of studies that show the biological reality of transgender people. It’s important to note that although some of these studies suggest causation (ie, HOW a person is born transgender) we can’t know if there’s more than one cause, and therefore using any one test to see if somebody is “biologically trans” is impossible.
Sex vs Gender and the role of the SRY gene specifically (as opposed to the Y chromosome generally) in the development of each, as well as the possible role of AR (androgen receptor) gene https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6505576/
A correlation is found between AR allele repeat length and a person being transgender https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3402034/
The brains of trans people more closely resemble those of their chosen gender identity than their natal sex https://www.ese-hormones.org/media/1506/transgender-brains-are-more-like-their-desired-gender-from-an-early-age.pdf
A trans person’s brain more closely resembles their chosen gender as demonstrated by their brain’s response to olfactory stimulation with androstadienone https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2014.00060/full
Estrogen signaling pathways identified which tell the brain to develop as one gender or the other, as well as mechanisms by which physical development can happen in one way while brain development can happen in the other https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53500-y
Cornell University summarizes 72 studies regarding the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being (with links to all 72 studies) https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
TL;DR evolution made them a woman, but fucked up along the way, leaving them miserable.
Nature is one cruel mistress, isn’t she?
Which is why climate change is not such a bad thing. Humans have a chance to redeem themselves, the rest of life does not.
Don’t people refer to this as “transmedicalism” or “truscum”? In addition, why do many transgender people act more similarly to their agab? (Eg, some trans women act like men, some trans men act like women)
No, transmedicalism is the belief that somebody isn’t actually trans unless they meet certain medical criteria. I’m saying the opposite: that the lack of any particular medical criteria can’t be used to invalidate somebody being trans.
As for your second question, how a person behaves is a matter of nurture more than nature, but it’s also deeply engrained from a very early age. Even those trans people who put the effort in to overcoming this socialization can have old habits they struggle to get rid of.
That’s interesting
Isn’t that a pretty dangerous argument?
I don’t see any difference between male and female ability in regards to intelligence.
Saying that their brain develops differently seems like an invitation to the argument, that women aren’t mentally able to do the stuff men do.
And I’m a cis-male - but I want to have every individual to live free regarding to their own will.
What do I care what you do in your bedroom and with whom or how anyone there identifies?
Propaganda for “traditional” baby-bearing systems are usually fascist and prepare for war, because they need more people to die at the front.
How can anybody be interested what I’m fucking doing with myself or my partner?
It’s just my/our personal thing and it should be of no one’s interest.
Else, where do we stop?
Should we make anal sex illegal, because we need babys?
Fuck all this shitheads trying to influence everybodies lives, just because everyone should live the same life as they do
Ok, got maybe a bit of topic, but I’m a bit picky, when it comes to differences between male and female brain development - and in the end capacity
The brain differences are extremely minor and as far as I understand it, the brain differences aren’t exclusive either.
This is a study I read a while back. I just skimmed it because I don’t have time to reread it right now, but it looks at brains as a mosiac instead of being on a continuum.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763420306540
This is a pretty slippery-slope-ish argument. Brains have plenty of differences that don’t have anything to do with general intelligence. There’s a lot going on in there.
It’s not just general intelligence that people discriminate on. For example it might be decided that emotional intelligence is what’s important, and that therefore one gender must be superior because they have more. It could be aggression or resilience. There are lots of reasons why people think that men or women are better besides general intelligence. So saying that there are any biological differences becomes something that either misandry or misogyny can exploit.
It may be exploitable, but it’s also the truth, and I prefer to be accurate. People can twist any truth to support bad policies or opinions; it’s the twisting that’s the problem, not the truth. But yes, we should be careful to try and prevent people from abusing these notions to further their negative agendas.
I’m not super familiar with what specific aspects of the brain are different between men and women, but the fact remains that there are differences at least in the manner in which the brain processes certain input related to sex & gender, as well as the cortical homunculus (which I suspect is probably the area of greatest contrast and even that’s pretty minimal).
Science has also looked at the question about difference in ability and found that there’s no statistically difference in the brain’s ability between men and women. So no, this isn’t a dangerous question that’s going to lead to a slippery slope of claiming that women are less able than men. That claim was already being made and has already been investigated and debunked.
Pretty much every group of people will have slight differences in pretty much every area, if you look closely enough. So it makes sense that the most divisive biological things we have as a species (like biological sex) are going to yield some differences.
Genuinely thought for a moment, you were referring to scientists as “many-tabs people”…