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If you want to vote by mail please do so as soon as you can and consider dropping it off at the counter where they will postmark it right away.

Also if you live in a state where you’re allowed to photograph your ballot consider doing so to have proof you voted a certain way.

Note that as a counterpoint the federal register website claims they are just clarifying language to improve public understanding: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/08/12/2025-15266/postmarks-and-postal-possession

I didn’t check that document very closely yet.

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    27 days ago

    how would it be subject to abuse

    are you really struggling to understand how it could be subject to abuse lol maybe the person in charge of the post office lives in an area they know would vote a certain way so they give everyone a day off and the mail arrives too late to be counted

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      27 days ago

      How is that different from your current system, though? Couldn’t the same postal worker just delay the stamping by one day, or stamp tomorrows date onto today’s letters?

      The advantage of our system is, that we know the results in the night of the election. How would that work if letters arriving a week later would still count? On the other hand, we don’t have such a huge problem with voter suppression as the US: No gerrymandering, no need to register to vote, polling stations are accessible at reasonable times without long queues etc.

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        27 days ago

        Please don’t imagined this couldn’t happen. Germany is not without active political threats. When a system can be abused it’s only a meter of time before it is.

        The difference is that in a system where the standard is set to postmarked upon arrival it requires an active deviation from protocol that is more discoverable and potentially an illegal offense. It’s not bullet proof, but more difficult to manipulate intentionally or unintentionally on a large scale.

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          27 days ago

          Intentionally delaying a mailing is already a crime in itself. And if you already have the power to shut down a mailing hub for a day or two without abyone noticing, I don’t see how it would be more difficult to change the date in the stamping machine.

          I have no doubt that, when the Nazis come to power here as well, they will use all measures to suppress free voting. We of all people know how that works. But in that case, using the stamping date for mail-in voting won’t stop them anyway, as that’s a simple law, that can simply be changed by the people in power. Case in point: This very article about changing the postmark application rules. It seems, they didn’t even have to change a law for that, just some USPS internal guidelines.

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        27 days ago

        how is what different than whos current system? i merely just gave a quick idea for how this one could be open to abuse and am making zero claims for any sort of postal system being better/worse than any other

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          26 days ago

          how is what different than whos current system?

          The US system, using the date of the stamp instead of the arrival date. Neither system is safe from abuse. It’s just different.

          Mail-in voting is inherently more error prone than voting in person. That’s why it’s important to make in person voting as accessible as possible. Voting on a Sunday, having plentiful accessible polling stations without significant waiting time surely helps, and is a reason why the share of voting by mail is traditionally way lower here in Germany than in the US. I never had to wait for more than 2 minutes at a polling station here in Germany.

          Have a nice new year’s eve and guten Rutsch, as we say here.

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      27 days ago

      I still don’t see how stamping immediately could reduce the risk of abuse.

      Anyone intent on doing so in a position of power can still do so. Maybe they have a stamp for a future date, maybe they “lose” certain mail, maybe they do not empty any of those election mail boxes the week before an election.

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        27 days ago

        you specifically said you dont see how it would be subject to abuse, not that [different thing than what i was talking about] is less risk prone

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          27 days ago

          I mean, everything is subject to abuse. The relevant factor is the likelihood and difficulty of such abuse, isn’t it? And I don’t really see how using the stamped date as an authority reduces either or how not doing so increases either. The way you’d commit abuse changes, sure, but doesn’t make abuse any easier/harder in my opinion, just different.

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            27 days ago

            again, youre just talking about something entirely different. you said you dont see how a certain system was subject to abuse and i made up a possible way. all this talk about some system being more or less subject to abuse than another has nothing to do with the fact you said you couldnt see how a certain system was subject to abuse. i am not making a claim about any system being better than another so i have no idea why youre bringing that up

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              27 days ago

              Fair enough, looks like we communicated past each other to some extent. I took your first comment as arguing this system was more subject to abuse.

              I edited my comment to better reflect my original intent.