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- nottheonion@lemmy.world
Only the government could spend 20 years creating a national ID that no one wanted and that apparently doesn’t even work as a national ID.
But that’s what the federal government has accomplished with the REAL ID, which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) now considers unreliable, even though getting one requires providing proof of citizenship or lawful status in the country.
In a December 11 court filing, Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS’ Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, “REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship.”
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To be fair, REAL ID was never meant to give citizenship. Its purpose is identity and lawful presence. I have friends here on visas. They’re obviously not citizens, but also they’re here legally and have REAL IDs.
For this same reason, people trying to say proof of citizenship to vote is no big deal because everyone has a REAL ID is full of shit in multiple ways.
* proof of citizenship or lawful presence. Which is supposed to be indicated on the card. Which is supposed to be validated by DHS.
One of the ways REAL ID doesn’t matter for voting is that putting a ballot in a box is only the very first step in counting a vote, and there are multiple checks whether it’s valid and from person that is allowed to vote afterwards. After several centuries of practice paper voting is pretty thoroughly stress tested. Even if most people have no idea how.
Where does it show citizenship? I think the part you quoted may mean “proof of citizenship or [other means of] lawful presence”
The ID contains more information than what is printed on the front. There’s a reason it’s digital.
There’s a barcode, if that’s what you mean. Do we know that’s a part of it? I know it’s scannable in stores when you buy alcohol so I can’t imagine its contents are a secret
At least in my state, it explicitly means proof of citizenship. Permanent residents have a slightly different ID. The documents required to get one are what you would use to prove citizenship. Passport, birth certificate, etc. and it’s all verified by relevant agencies. That’s kind of the whole point.
Frankly even if they’re “just” lawfully present and that’s not differentiated on the ID, that should be enough reason for DHS to not detain them if any remotely reasonable policy were being followed instead of rounding up people based on skin color.
Is that slightly different ID not REAL compliant? If your state decided to make a citizenship determination when issuing some kind of ID, fine, but I don’t think that’s part of the requirements by DHS so I would still say the title is a bit misleading.
The slightly different ID is REAL ID, not just REAL compliant. It looks like it’s similar to how, in my country, driving licenses are coloured differently depending on whether you’ve passed your driving test; A learner’s provision driving license is green, and when you pass your test, you get a pink one.
Right, REAL is basically a set of compliance requirements for issuance. My point is that states can do their own thing for the most part regarding their identifications, like driving restrictions and documents that would, in theory, prove citizenship… If that were in the jurisdiction of the state government. It’s determined at the federal level, and while federal regulations determine REAL compliance, those same compliance requirements don’t require citizenship. So there is a gap to say REAL ID -> proof of citizenship
Anything to hurt immigrants under trump.
Then why did I just spend $85 to get this ID just to get on a fucking plane?
Because not having an ID is a crime. Having the ID just isn’t proof you didn’t commit a crime.
It’s a Heads-I-Win, Tails-You-Lose situation
… That reminds me I should probably get my car tabs renewed
Sphincter print ID’S coming in 2026
That comment section went off the fucking rails.
“just one more flaming hoop, we promise!”
At least as long as there’s flaming hoops, they’re still expecting people to be able to jump.
It doesn’t work like that.
We’re not supposed to be able to jump through the flaming hoops.
They’re too far apart, too narrow, they keep moving, and we’re forced to wear a blindfold.
We’re supposed to get burnt.
Meanwhile, “the right kind of people” don’t have to jump through the hoops, and laugh while watching us burn, without realising that the definition of “right kind of people” keeps getting more and more narrow, and that soon it might be them getting broiled on the hoops.
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So is a passport.
Birth certificate? Straight to jail
Fascists will always contrive some arbitrary rationalization to do whatever the fuck they want to do with you. They have no allegiance to truth, logic or consistency.
These people are a joke.
Gotta be something worse to call them; jokes are usually funny. These people ain’t funny. Like clowns. 🤡
There have already been cases where ICE has disregarded Passports. They really don’t care what if you’re a citizen, so they don’t really care if you have proof of citizenship.
They don’t give a shit if you have proper ID or not, they JUST wanna punish brown people for not being white.
I have been unable to get a real id because when I was 8 my parents changed my name. Then when I lived in Maryland there refused to issue an ID using my now legal name. When I moved back to my home state of New Mexico my id used my birth name as it was on my Maryland id. Now I have half my stuff using my birth name, half using my legal name, cannot get a real id.
This year I plan to change my legal name back to my birth name… or maybe something totally different.
So, what can be used to confirm citizenship, DHS?
inb4 “nothing”
A proven record of donations to Trump.
Melanin levels mostly
I think this is the only one the likes of Stephen Miller want to accept.
Doesn’t matter if your family has been here for generations…
Skin color. Sexual orientation. Gender. Mental health. Loyalty to an orange pedophile. Those are the only real way to know your citizenship status.
Let’s not forget political affiliation for tie breakers!
Still don’t have my REAL ID, I have my passport. Zero reason to get one until I’m forced to in 2028 when I renew.
Personally at this point I think passports should be free for every US Citizen to get, or at least the card one.
Yeah pretty sure the real point they’re saying this now is so that ICE can black bag people with a real ID not carrying their passport. Only a matter of time until that can’t be verified too.
Verified in the ditch across the road.
Oh for sure, no doubt about that. Just like the post office date marking on mail being changed. It’s all bullshit the Trump administration is trying to get away with.
You have to love that the only hand Trump and his administration have to play is “we are too incompetent.” Run the country into the ground and then do your evil acts with no government to stop them.
I didn’t think anyone is forced to get real id. Are they? I though it was always optional.
There was a pretty active intimidation campaign in NY for a few years. No RealID? You can’t travel, can’t cross the border (Canada) can’t fly etc etc.
For years I thought it was DHS saying you couldn’t get on a plane without one. Also they are trying to say they will charge you money for an alternative ID soon. Pretty stupid.
If it was free or included with my passport application sure is get it. I didn’t see the need for it as passports exist.
At least in Massachusetts, they’ve been pushing back making it mandatory since it rolled out. Every time it gets close to the deadline for when it’s supposed to go into effect, they push it back another couple of years.
