Well yeah, they were already invaded by russia at that point, that’s why we’re pissed, because of russias colonial ambitions and the cost of all the lives lost
If that’s the case you want to make, regardless of not painting the full picture, the russian invasion of Ukraine is the cause of the highest drop of Ukrainians. Also the pretext of “im invading to save you” is entirely bullshit.
I’m not defending the invasion of Ukraine, I’m saying it happened primarily because of western meddling in Russia’s sphere of influence.
You condemned the USSR too, and I’m explaining you how capitalism is the greatest tragedy that happened to Ukraine. Without capitalism, Russia and Ukraine would still be sister nations, no war would have happened.
And im explaining how the greatest tragedy that’s happened to Ukraine (recently) is russias invasion. Maybe there is a reason countries wanted to leave the USSR. It wouldn’t be sister nations, it would be occupiers and subservient nation. There is nothing sisterly about russias, or the USSRs invasions of neighbouring countries. If they have to keep their sphere of influence via violence then they are to blame.
Maybe there is a reason countries wanted to leave the USSR
Some did, such as the Baltics, which is why they sabotaged the 1990 referendum. 70% of Ukraine in the 1990 referendum voted for the continuation of the USSR. The reality is that people were lied to. They were promised peace and prosperity, and Ukraine especially has enjoyed neither of those.
There is nothing sisterly about russias, or the USSRs invasions of neighbouring countries
I thought I had explained you carefully in the long comment I sent you about the USSR saving Europe from Fascism. You had agreed to read it carefully. Are you just ignoring the evidence that points against what you say?
You’re ignoring the catastrophe that caused 10 million in population losses between 1990 and 2022 because it’s not convenient to you
If they have to keep their sphere of influence via violence then they are to blame
People keep blaming China for maintaining its sphere of influence even if it hasn’t entered a war in 45 years. Do you support China maintaining and expanding its sphere of influence through economic means as it’s doing?
The referendums where 90% of the people voted yes to leave? They had peace and a chance to leave, emigration, and the fallout of the collapse of the ussr were the reason so many people left, for greener pastures. The USSR didn’t save Europe from fascism, they absolutely contributed to the fall of naziism. But the USSR is fascist, by definition. The catastrophe was caused by russia, im not ignoring anything. Ignoring alll of that, russias current expansion has caused more damage to Ukraine, if you cared so much about Ukraines prosperity, you would be vocal about that part. The USSR has always been colonial, and expansionist. They have to keep their sphere of influence via force, and no matter how you want to paint it, crushing people under boots doesn’t make them good or right.
Yes they helped the Spanish resistance, and just like any other ideology it was done to secure what they call communism, not because fascism is bad, but because they wanted to have influence (like every other nation) they didn’t do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Other nations turned a blind eye to their population going to fight the fascists too, you can’t ignore that point.
And onto ww2 yes russia bore the brunt of population loss due to the nazis, but that’s because of russias meat grinder approach. The war was won with British intelligence, American steel and russian blood. The USSR would have collapsed if it weren’t for support from the west. There was no benevolence from the ussr in its actions, no was there truly in the west.
The argument of invading to save is just as flimsy as “saving those savages” that happened in North America to the first nations people’s.
E: or a more accurate example would be the US’s invasions of vietnam
The reason people blame China for expanding its sphere of influence is due to the way they are doing it, through exploitative projects in Africa, and re writing maps, ignoring internationally recognized boundaries. Any country that does those things, in that way is bad.
Well yeah, they were already invaded by russia at that point, that’s why we’re pissed, because of russias colonial ambitions and the cost of all the lives lost
At which point?
The USSR
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If that’s the case you want to make, regardless of not painting the full picture, the russian invasion of Ukraine is the cause of the highest drop of Ukrainians. Also the pretext of “im invading to save you” is entirely bullshit.
I’m not defending the invasion of Ukraine, I’m saying it happened primarily because of western meddling in Russia’s sphere of influence.
You condemned the USSR too, and I’m explaining you how capitalism is the greatest tragedy that happened to Ukraine. Without capitalism, Russia and Ukraine would still be sister nations, no war would have happened.
And im explaining how the greatest tragedy that’s happened to Ukraine (recently) is russias invasion. Maybe there is a reason countries wanted to leave the USSR. It wouldn’t be sister nations, it would be occupiers and subservient nation. There is nothing sisterly about russias, or the USSRs invasions of neighbouring countries. If they have to keep their sphere of influence via violence then they are to blame.
Some did, such as the Baltics, which is why they sabotaged the 1990 referendum. 70% of Ukraine in the 1990 referendum voted for the continuation of the USSR. The reality is that people were lied to. They were promised peace and prosperity, and Ukraine especially has enjoyed neither of those.
I thought I had explained you carefully in the long comment I sent you about the USSR saving Europe from Fascism. You had agreed to read it carefully. Are you just ignoring the evidence that points against what you say?
You’re ignoring the catastrophe that caused 10 million in population losses between 1990 and 2022 because it’s not convenient to you
People keep blaming China for maintaining its sphere of influence even if it hasn’t entered a war in 45 years. Do you support China maintaining and expanding its sphere of influence through economic means as it’s doing?
The referendums where 90% of the people voted yes to leave? They had peace and a chance to leave, emigration, and the fallout of the collapse of the ussr were the reason so many people left, for greener pastures. The USSR didn’t save Europe from fascism, they absolutely contributed to the fall of naziism. But the USSR is fascist, by definition. The catastrophe was caused by russia, im not ignoring anything. Ignoring alll of that, russias current expansion has caused more damage to Ukraine, if you cared so much about Ukraines prosperity, you would be vocal about that part. The USSR has always been colonial, and expansionist. They have to keep their sphere of influence via force, and no matter how you want to paint it, crushing people under boots doesn’t make them good or right.
Yes they helped the Spanish resistance, and just like any other ideology it was done to secure what they call communism, not because fascism is bad, but because they wanted to have influence (like every other nation) they didn’t do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Other nations turned a blind eye to their population going to fight the fascists too, you can’t ignore that point.
And onto ww2 yes russia bore the brunt of population loss due to the nazis, but that’s because of russias meat grinder approach. The war was won with British intelligence, American steel and russian blood. The USSR would have collapsed if it weren’t for support from the west. There was no benevolence from the ussr in its actions, no was there truly in the west.
The argument of invading to save is just as flimsy as “saving those savages” that happened in North America to the first nations people’s. E: or a more accurate example would be the US’s invasions of vietnam
The reason people blame China for expanding its sphere of influence is due to the way they are doing it, through exploitative projects in Africa, and re writing maps, ignoring internationally recognized boundaries. Any country that does those things, in that way is bad.