If the USA invades a NATO member then, in an ideal world, first NATO will invade the USA and hold those responsible accountable, then allow the USA to reorganize its leadership and start paying reparations. During this process, if another nation such as Russia or China attacks a NATO member, then the USA will have the responsibility to wage war on that person as well.
The USA’s defence spending dwarfs any other country on earth. NATO instantly loses a third of its capabilities the moment the USA withdraws, it can never be allowed.
Countries choosing not to fight when NATO articles are filed would defeat the purpose of NATO and exclude their nation from any future defence, on top of just being morally wrong.
I wish the US would be held accountable to the same rules as every other country, but I don’t think what you describe would happen. I don’t think anybody wants to invade the US when the US has the most powerful military on the planet.
As for NATO losing capabilities if the US leaves, sure. But it looks like the US doesn’t really care about helping defend Europe anyway. Maybe at some point Europe will just have to focus on its own defence without the US. You say it would be “morally wrong” if a NATO country (e.g. the US) wouldn’t fulfil its NATO commitments. Do we think Trump cares about morals though?
I guess we’re now going to see what will happen given the Greenland situation. Of course I don’t want the US to be a dictatorship, and I don’t want them to start expanding against international law. But I don’t think the rest of NATO is going to militarily fight the US. The US obviously would have a much stronger hand in any conflict so a conflict would surely be pointless. Death and destruction for no gain, since the US would win anyway.
If the USA invades a NATO member then, in an ideal world, first NATO will invade the USA and hold those responsible accountable, then allow the USA to reorganize its leadership and start paying reparations. During this process, if another nation such as Russia or China attacks a NATO member, then the USA will have the responsibility to wage war on that person as well.
The USA’s defence spending dwarfs any other country on earth. NATO instantly loses a third of its capabilities the moment the USA withdraws, it can never be allowed.
Countries choosing not to fight when NATO articles are filed would defeat the purpose of NATO and exclude their nation from any future defence, on top of just being morally wrong.
I wish the US would be held accountable to the same rules as every other country, but I don’t think what you describe would happen. I don’t think anybody wants to invade the US when the US has the most powerful military on the planet.
As for NATO losing capabilities if the US leaves, sure. But it looks like the US doesn’t really care about helping defend Europe anyway. Maybe at some point Europe will just have to focus on its own defence without the US. You say it would be “morally wrong” if a NATO country (e.g. the US) wouldn’t fulfil its NATO commitments. Do we think Trump cares about morals though?
USA is about a third of NATO capability, and war with them would be inevitable if they fell into dictatorship and started expanding.
It is not a question of if NATO responds but when, and the sooner the better.
I guess we’re now going to see what will happen given the Greenland situation. Of course I don’t want the US to be a dictatorship, and I don’t want them to start expanding against international law. But I don’t think the rest of NATO is going to militarily fight the US. The US obviously would have a much stronger hand in any conflict so a conflict would surely be pointless. Death and destruction for no gain, since the US would win anyway.
Perhaps more likely, if the US does invade Greenland, is that NATO in its current form would break up. A Republican congressman has said this sort of thing: “for [Trump] to militarily invade [Greenland] would… end up abolishing Nato as we know it”.
Choosing not to fight them immediately would be choosing to fight them later on when in an even worse situation.
Not necessarily. Hopefully a more sensible US president will be elected in 2028, who won’t be so hostile to the rest of NATO.