Here in The Netherlands, are police hasn’t really been defunded per se, but significantly underfunded for quite some time now. Police are swamped and no longer have the numbers nor resources to take back control. Every year you see their grip loosening. Look at for example what happened during New Years eve, it’s become a national sport to throw illegal fireworks (which are basically bombs) at police and other public services. It gets worse every year. This is in a country where the police isn’t seen as the bad guy, the cops rarely shoot anyone, and if they do they get in lots of trouble, they must justify why they took the shot.
So I’m a bit conflicted with this post. On the one hand, it’s clear that the police in the US is abusing power and has probably gotten too strong, therefore defunding could be solution. At the same time, I’m seeing what defunding, or at least under funding, is doing to my country.
The average Dutch person would see that more as vigilantes doling out ‘justice’ than communities defending themselves. Weapons are also not readily available here, basically you can only get a license when you are a registered sporting shooter (first year you can only use weapons of your local association) or professional hunter, which is all heavily regulated and your weapons will be accounted for on a regular basis.
But the state can dish out ‘justice’ all it wants, and that’s somehow okay?
You literally give up your right to defend yourself and your community and in return you get policing and laws that benefit the ruling classes and industrialists.
Give me what Rojava and the Zapatista have over the state authority model any day, one of them actually benefits the people and it’s not the state.
But the state can dish out ‘justice’ all it wants, and that’s somehow okay?
Yes, but it helps I live in a society where the justice system works a lot better than in dystopian shit holes like the US.
You literally give up your right to defend yourself and your community and in return you get policing and laws that benefit the ruling classes and industrialists.
Our system might not be perfect and our government has dropped the ball here and there, but it’s definitely not that bad. And definitely nothing that warrants armed rebellion by the masses.
Oh please, in just seconds of googling I’ve found your courts siding with Chevron, cases like Milieudefensie et al. v. Royal Dutch Shell the courts let Shell get away with no cutting emissions, and so on and so forth.
They are without a doubt enablers for corporate interests, something I’m sure most citizens would not be in agreement with if they had the means to preside over such cases.
And let’s not even get started on them going easy on that athlete who raped a 12 year old kid.
This liberal bullshit where you think the system is actually an entity of good is entirely the problem for the fucked state of the world. More concerned with following laws catering for and paid for by lobbyist bribes than what’s best for the people, but because it’s all so abstracted and out of power for the ordinary citizen they carry on thinking everything is grand.
I’m an anarchist, I do blame all states for this and advocate for destroying all of them in favour of local, direct empowerment.
And you seem to think Im American, I’m not. You need to stop defending the status quo and start getting radical because we our planet is fucked if you people don’t start demanding real change.
I do think there is a middle ground solution, at least for the US. Accountability and third party oversight would go a long way to ensuring everything stayed above board.
It’s a double edged sword right?
Here in The Netherlands, are police hasn’t really been defunded per se, but significantly underfunded for quite some time now. Police are swamped and no longer have the numbers nor resources to take back control. Every year you see their grip loosening. Look at for example what happened during New Years eve, it’s become a national sport to throw illegal fireworks (which are basically bombs) at police and other public services. It gets worse every year. This is in a country where the police isn’t seen as the bad guy, the cops rarely shoot anyone, and if they do they get in lots of trouble, they must justify why they took the shot.
So I’m a bit conflicted with this post. On the one hand, it’s clear that the police in the US is abusing power and has probably gotten too strong, therefore defunding could be solution. At the same time, I’m seeing what defunding, or at least under funding, is doing to my country.
And are you replacing them with empowered local communities that have the means to defend themselves? Or are citizens still curtailed by the state.
The average Dutch person would see that more as vigilantes doling out ‘justice’ than communities defending themselves. Weapons are also not readily available here, basically you can only get a license when you are a registered sporting shooter (first year you can only use weapons of your local association) or professional hunter, which is all heavily regulated and your weapons will be accounted for on a regular basis.
But the state can dish out ‘justice’ all it wants, and that’s somehow okay?
You literally give up your right to defend yourself and your community and in return you get policing and laws that benefit the ruling classes and industrialists.
Give me what Rojava and the Zapatista have over the state authority model any day, one of them actually benefits the people and it’s not the state.
Yes, but it helps I live in a society where the justice system works a lot better than in dystopian shit holes like the US.
Our system might not be perfect and our government has dropped the ball here and there, but it’s definitely not that bad. And definitely nothing that warrants armed rebellion by the masses.
Oh please, in just seconds of googling I’ve found your courts siding with Chevron, cases like Milieudefensie et al. v. Royal Dutch Shell the courts let Shell get away with no cutting emissions, and so on and so forth.
They are without a doubt enablers for corporate interests, something I’m sure most citizens would not be in agreement with if they had the means to preside over such cases.
And let’s not even get started on them going easy on that athlete who raped a 12 year old kid.
This liberal bullshit where you think the system is actually an entity of good is entirely the problem for the fucked state of the world. More concerned with following laws catering for and paid for by lobbyist bribes than what’s best for the people, but because it’s all so abstracted and out of power for the ordinary citizen they carry on thinking everything is grand.
Wow. You need to travel more. A lot more.
And if you think any other modern nation state is blameless with the multinationals, maybe at least read a bit more?
Bonitas non est pessimis esse meliorem and all, but NL is nowhere near the hellhole the States is now. It’s a categorically different experience.
I’m an anarchist, I do blame all states for this and advocate for destroying all of them in favour of local, direct empowerment.
And you seem to think Im American, I’m not. You need to stop defending the status quo and start getting radical because we our planet is fucked if you people don’t start demanding real change.
from the cartoon robbers looking for stand mixers?
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I do think there is a middle ground solution, at least for the US. Accountability and third party oversight would go a long way to ensuring everything stayed above board.