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    And yet most usonians seem to be frozen to inaction, such are the levels of embarrassment…

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    I think I’m out of the loop, which of the thousands of possible things is he referring to?

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      I am pretty sure Scalzi’s trigger this morning is the letter to Norway, but it feels like a permanent and blanket statement for this administration.

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          Nah the nobel peace prize is from a norwegian committee. The others are indeed swedish

          Edit: It’s still stupid because it’s not the norwegian government that awards the prize

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              Nah Trump definitely had at least one person tell him that he was wrong and the told them to shut the fuck up and did it anyway

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              Nah, you’re not dumb, you just didn’t know!

              Here’s some history for you: When the Nobel Prize was created, Norway was in a union with Sweden. Seeing as Norway didn’t have any direct diplomatic relations, they were chosen to handle the diplomatically sensitive Peace Prize while the Swedes handled the rest.

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          Oh jeeesus

          Does he know that the Norway doesn’t control the Nobel board?

          Also Fuck Trump and this stupid letter. What has he done for NATO except extortion and existential crises? It used to be an effective tool until he got involved.

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            Trump is a cult leader; it doesn’t really matter whether what he says makes any logical sense or not. It only matters that his brainwashed followers like, believe, and/or get behind whatever ridiculous thing he’s planning to do next

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            He wants to punish us for not being corrupt enough. Hope this is a clear sign for everyone here to deinvest away from anything US, as that is the only language the orange dumbbell speaks.

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          Its actually incredible how Trump can continuously behave like this, while governments all over the world still bend the knee to him.

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            I think his handlers are starting to think there’s a real opportunity to dissolve NATO, or at least get the US to leave/kicked out. Think how liberating that could be for…certain people. How hard it would be for the US MIC to lose all of those exports.

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            Looking at the rest of the news this morning, I really don’t think “bending the knee” describe what world leaders are doing at all. For example, Canada just re-started relations with China and is increasingly looking like they might buy a fleet of Gripens instead of F-35s, and the EU signed a free trade agreement with MERCOSUR. Everyone is drifting away from the US. They are just doing so quietly, after all, the US is still the world’s biggest economic and military force.

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              Yeah i know they have been quietly working in the background to replace the US, but its too slow and they so far arent seriously considering the methods that would truly hurt the US regime. As long as they dont directly target the tech sector and remove this insane vulnerability at the core of our society, government and infrastructure, we will always be lagging behind. The EU cant be independent while we depend on Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Apple, Meta, Twitter, AMD, Nvidia, Intel, Cisco, IBM, etc. All those companies are ticking time bombs that could at any point disable large parts of our public and private infrastructure if they were ordered to do so by Trump.

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                It’s a delicate process. For Canada, the 2 economies are historically very very entangled. Divesting has started, but if you do it too fast or too openly, you will trigger strong reactions from the US. If you go to a head front economic battle with the US, you would create a lot of pain in Canada itself, that the conservatives will lever to gain power (and very probably be much more submissive to the US…).
                So yes: do it quietly but surely, don’t make waves, don’t appear to be antagonist.

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              This.

              The manbaby is not smart enough to understand politics. He just understands force. By not doing anything “by force”, he just keeps being a manbaby while the world drifts away from him without him even realizing.

              What’s going to happen here is that one day, the turd will start another tantrum and, instead of saying “yes, sir, you are right, now let’s keep being friends”, the same people will just look away the same way a parent ignores a kid throwing a tantrum over a snack they did not get.

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        Holy shit, that doesn’t read as bad president, that reads as mentally ill.

        Also when I mentioned trump’s letter to my mom, she confusedly asked “he can write?”

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      it mostly definitely cannot lmao. the current catastrophe is the result of several decades of compounding issues. The only way things could be fixed that quickly is a revolution.

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      I honestly don’t think it can. They would have to elect probably three sensible presidents in a row, and that’s really not in the cards.

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        They’re never more than 4 years away from electing another Trump. Ever.

        It’s done. They need to show 100 years of good faith before I’d consider trusting them, and I’ll be dead by then

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        Alternatively, we need to elect a sensible Congress that actually flexes it’s muscles in the areas it’s in charge of in addition to a sensible figurehead

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      The main issue regarding that is not just the insane president. It’s the voters.

      How can the EU trust Americans not to vote in another openly fascist president? Everyone saw his first presidency and heard everything he said he would do.

      How can we trust the US population again?

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        Would it help if it came out down the line that he had Musk fuck with the voting machines? I’m still not convinced everything was above the board for the last election.

        Winning every single swing state in a rematch election just reeks of foul play.

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          It would, and I’m surprised nothing came from Trumps statements about Musk and the computers. I thought the Americans would definitely challenge the outcome solely on that comment but 🤷

          I know there’s plenty of protests on going across the US, but that so many of the voters still just accept when the president breaks the law is still adding to the trust issue. I mean, if the party I voted for behaved in the same way I would feel betrayed and embarrassed, and would have me on the barricades next morning demanding their resignation

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            The way he overperformed in basically every state make manipulation unlikely. We’re talking about a system of 50 state run elections that all have slightly different systems, all of which would require considerable effort to corrupt. Election meddling would at best flip a few states, and Trump won by a bigger margin than that.

            Plus, Musk and Trump’s goons aren’t the geniuses who can pull off something like that. Their incompetency running the government makes it even less likely that they cheated. Thinking they cheated is just a distraction from realizing how effective their message was and how shitty the Democrat’s were. They lost fair and square, and they cannot rely on their enemy to be the only reason to vote for them.

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          The vast majority of the US population is still going along with him with nary a peep, if he didn’t have the support the elections implied, I’d expect way more pushback.

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      That’s less than 2 presidents. We haven’t even successfully unfucked what Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, or Obama did. How can you be so sure about this when there is zero evidence? Not even all the Supreme Court will be gone by then.

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      In the meantime, people in the US will be exposed to large amounts of pollution as the EPA rolls back rules, more people will die of preventable diseases due to vaccine guidance, healthcare being too expensive to use, and a brain drain of doctors, while the people get screwed over by corporations because consumer protections disappear, trucks get bigger and deadlier, the economy being shit due to deteriorated foreign relationships, over policing by violent psychopaths with incentives to fill private prisons, the supreme court decisions and jackasses that will stick around for much longer than a dozen years, and mass shootings continue to not even be national news. And that’s all going to get fixed in a few years while facing a far right headwind? I’ve got my doubts.

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      As a European, I don’t think I could trust the US even after ten to twelve years.

      It’s gonna take all MAGAites and fascists dying and/or turning back to normal and then a decade on top of that, before I’m even gonna trust anything there. And a lot of reform.

      Hell, my grandfather refused to set any step into Germany after the war, never for all the 80 years after that period he lived through as a young adult.

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        As an American we need reeducation camps. A third of the population is literally not fit for society and isn’t going to just change overnight. I do not know how to fix it.

        I think our isolation on a global stage is a big issue. On top of all the other issues these freaks have, they know nothing about other countries other than vague notions or Europe being the gay weak place.

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      Don’t make it about the species when it’s actually capitalism, which is the dominant system right now but doesn’t have to be