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It is fairly easy to accept that it is just amplifying human nature. The main issue is that with the major locked down aggregators the amplification is intentional and continuously changed to increase the amplification by doing things like stuffing divisive posts into feeds.
Average fediverse interaction
We have very different fedi interactions. Have a nice day!
Yeah I agr–
Have a nice day!
Fuck you, have a nice day! You lovely asshole!
Have a nice fuck you day!
“This fucking place stinks! It’s a piece of shit. I’m done! I quit! Fuck you!”
*turns up an hour later*
Even if fedi was pure and perfect, it still exists within a wider ecosystem of algo-driven rage and it’s influence leaks in from every side. It’s not just that we don’t exclusively get our news from the fedi it’s that news articles themselves are optimized for rage, the writers are deeply under it’s spell, politician’s media strategy is optimized for it.
True, there’s definitely that. I guess I just wish there was more thought between that and “do I really need to post this?”
Just don’t go full regard
censorship of any kind is retarded
And we’re all socialized by corporate platforms to engage with eachother in a way that prioritizes engagement, which we bring with us when we come to the fediverse
Now I’m raging at your misuse of “it’s”
Algorithms give you what you want. If you’re getting rage, you’re looking at and upvoting rage. On Reddit, 99% of what I get are posts about Hitman, Blender, Boomershooters and other things I’m interested in. The same with YT except I also get obscure movies from the 30s and 40s. The more of that I consume, the more the algorithms push it to me. The same with news. If there’s a big news event I might read and watch a bunch of news and then all the news stuff gets pushed to me.
Algorithms boil down to “Did user look at, upvote something with these keywords? If yes, then send more things with those keywords their way.” These magical mystery algorithms are probably 5 lines of code most.
Not on YouTube. I only watch instructional videos and how-to fix videos.
But it doesn’t stop YouTube from oddly recommending a right wing grifter or influencer shit with that stupid ass shock face.
You looked at one of those videos at some point. I get them too because I occasionally get curious. Some of it is tied to watch history. You might have one buried in the pile. If you clean it out, you might not see those anymore.
Nope. Not even a bit.
I despise YouTube. But sometimes, instructions are only in video form.
Yes, it gives you what you respond to, it steers towards engagement. So it provides content which has a strong emotional response because the strong emotions drive us to engage. Anger and resentment are very strong driving powers here. I don’t doubt that what you’re saying about how the things you engage with, and how you steer the algorithm or the algorith steers you. But that doesn’t disprove the fact that algorithms are generally making our debates more angry, it would just suggest that you are less vulnerable to this.
What would disprove it is if people would quit upvoting, reading, and watching things that make them more and more angry. Algorithms don’t steer anyone. People steer themselves with the algorithms. They’re essentially mirrors of one’s personality. Just be aware if you upvote a post that says “Tech billionaire kills baby seals with his bare hands, has sex with the corpses, and laughs about it on TikTok”, you’re going to get more stuff that has all those keywords in it. However, if you upvote “How do I subdivide a mesh in Blender?” you will get a bunch of stuff about Blender, subdividing 3D models, and other topics related to that.
Yes, it’s a mirror, that shows us people are very emotional, and prone to react to emotional triggers. The algorithm has figured this out and is using it to maximize engagement. People will not stop reacting to these emotional triggers. Sure it’s commendable to avoid these rage-baits and pay attention to other things, and some will be better at this than others. But to think that people en masse can choose to not be caught and manipulated by these algorithms seems really naive. I know tons of people who spend more time on TikTok than they wish they did, but it’s hard to resists something that’s so cleverly optimized towards you, as Yuval Noah Harari says it: it’s hacking our brain.
The algorithms aren’t that smart. They’re extraordinarily dumb.
For example, on YT recently I got recommended an ancient video from 2011 where an ex-con was giving advice about how to pick up hookers. I looked at the comments and tons of them were recent and also confused about why they were recommended this video. After sifting through my own watch history, I realized I had recently watched the Austrian version of Eyes Wide Shut where the main character meets a hooker. So the algorithm just looked and saw the synopsis had the word “hooker” and found another video where the word “hooker” is used, and then sent it my way.
The algorithm is not even as smart as any given free chess app that some college kid wrote over the weekend as an exercise. If the algorithm is manipulating people and hacking their brains, that’s a problem with the wetware not the software. The remote control isn’t hacking people’s brains when they press 5 and the TV displays channel 5.
It certainly could be true but ever since I started blocking news on sight and read my local newspaper only, I have not seen nearly as much rage bait content.
That being said it is kind of annoying that every time I block a community posting news another one pops up :/
And those who buck the system are fired.
… or worse.
They don’t get cookies:(
Well damn, now I want to know just how good those cookies must be…
Also, username does not check out, unless there is cheese in those cookies, perhaps? 🧀
Perhaps…
Thanks guys. This entire thread is killing me.
My ragebait is vegan, so you can get mad guilt free.
Nice. My ragebait is mostly solar powered so also largely guilt free.
> Veganism is abstainment from, as far as is possible and practicable, the exploitation of animals for any purpose.
> Editable meme templates are “exploitables”.
> Memes with animals are animal exploitation.
> These are therefore not vegan and hereby banned from /c/vegan@lemmy.world.
Everything is banned on c/vegan.
Can’t even post a nice steak there.
I’d imagine it’s a peaceful place, though.
Because they’re not allowed to have beef with others.
Carnist Troll detected
I mean things like GIFT are always going to be with us but this feels like the normal level of being angry at idiots on the internet versus turbo corpo enshittification
GIFT: Get It Fucking Together or is there another acronym you mean?
Geordi’s visor can see all ends of the electromagnetic spectrum, but even he can’t find the source of some Fediverse arguments. It really is farm-to-table rage here. 😂
I wish we had Lemmy Gold here because I’d award this comment.
I just like it when people post the sandwiches
So, like a club?
Okay, maybe not that one
One of my favorite subreddits back when posting photoshopped pictures of birds with arms was all the rage was /r/notbirdswitharms which was a sub where you couldn’t not just post birds with arms, you couldn’t post anything that wasn’t a sandwich
I went and scrolled facebook recently and it is absolutely crazy. You get some ads, sure, and a few things that real people posted, but like half of what is on there feels like some kind of shady psychological experiment.
It’s like a whole spectrum of flavors of ultra-processed engagement bait. Much of it is made to look like normal people posting normal things, just with a “follow” next to the name and 5,000 replies from kind old people trapped in a rabbit hole they don’t even know exists.
I can’t even fathom what contemporary Facebook is like. I deleted it in, I think, 2009 or thereabouts, right after they changed the timeline from reverse chronological to whatever their first iteration of the engagement-based one is. I thought that sucked pretty bad, so, yeah, can’t even imagine how bad it is today.
Hell yeah! But don’t forget the beans
In a slightly odd way, I think this might be a positive for some looking for a new place online.
Posting current events in the appropriate communities should not be considered “rage”. People deserve to be informed and have the ability to plan for the future.
What you are doing is essentially raging against the news.
Outside of the ethical considerations, I’m not militant about the organic label. But I stopped by this little health food store in a tiny town (think ~1k pop.) in a very red state, and she told me that I would never buy brussel sprouts from anywhere else after trying her’s. I was dubious at first, but I just cooked them a few hours ago, and she was absolutely correct! Best sprouts I’ve ever had!
less free range than you’d think. I would say at least 30% of content on the fediverse is bot originated. 5-16% of commentary is AI generated.
Ok, 5-16% is precise enough that you must have an interesting methodology to share but you were waiting for a question to prompt an answer. This is that comment.
You want a source? For my math?!
source: it was revealed to me in a dream
Yeah “I would say” does not give me confidence that there was, uh, any methodology to speak of. I’d be happy to be wrong though.
The circlejerk symbol on the bottom right is a bit weird, but doable.
Overhead view. Each hand on each penis. Art in it’s purest form.
