You are meme, confirmed.

Dayum, I did not think that you would go there but nevertheless, here we are. 😜

And to absolutely clear: you do you, dare to be different! (But now you got me wondering what I might be, if not some variety of cat…?)

And then die?

And after that, who knows? 🤪🧟

He was very responsive to feedback - positive, negative, all of it.:-)

birbs are ridiculousness, confirmed

Yeah I worded it imprecisely - I was l looking for a topic that could potentially not involve politics, because lol you are absolutely right that there is nothing at all that is safe from political implications.

Afaik, that is not how “federation” works. It presents itself that way, so it is indeed tricky, but if you, from sh.itjust.works, having been invited to sh.itjust.works, want to post in a community on dubvee, then it is not the rules of sh.itjust.works that apply, but rather those of dubvee.

Damn that does sound unfriendly though - I can only hope that you got caught up incorrectly in a sweep, which I admit sounds rough but that is how the Beehaw & dubvee instances choose to work, and it is their choice to do however they please on their own machines, bought and paid for by them not us. Lemmy.ml similarly does as it pleases, as too does Hexbear.net, and lemmygrad.ml, and lemm.ee at least used to, and so on. It gets more difficult when piecing them together via federation though, especially when conflicts arise - e.g. between lemmy.world and lemmy.ml.

I have long been an advocate for a FAR greater level of transparency about such things than currently exists. Like lemmy.ml simply says “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers” - as if that explains why they ban people from communities that they have never even so much as heard of, if they ever say anything remotely negative (or not positive enough?) about Russia, China, or North Korea? Beehaw, on the other hand, has an intricately detailed explanation of their policies - so them enacting such should not be a “surprise” to anyone posting or commenting in one of those communities.

However, the Lemmy software is set up to mostly ignore those kinds of messages (while PieFed does a fantastic job of placing them onto every single page - even an individual post has the community side-bar visible), so the burden falls to you to have to figure out all the myriad little fiefdoms and rules of what is or is not allowed on the various instances. Good luck! (or switch to PieFed I guess) But my point there is that it was not Admiral Patrick’s fault for “having rules”, though he did set himself up to fail by (like Beehaw) making rules that did not align with those used elsewhere in the Threadiverse.

After all these years…?

Well, then it sucks for them to have to find out this way, but I do not want to allow such hostages to change my own determined path forward.

That said, PieFed, but crucially not Lemmy, allows for TRUE blocking of all users from an instance. Lemmy has something that is called that but surprise surprise, allows users to DM you, reply to your messages, thereby generating notifications, vote on your content, etc., and so is the absolute weakest “block” I have ever heard of (I am trying politely to say that it is a sham, and is no “block” at all). On PieFed though, any user that individually wants to defederate from an instance can do so - which is a game-changer (enticing me to join PieFed.social long before it was fully ready, since that one feature alone made it worth my while, in comparison to e.g. leaving the Threadiverse entirely b/c I was just so very tired of all the BS that I kept having to put up with everywhere).

That… sounds really odd, like maybe a coincidence, or at best that fact alerting Admiral Patrick to the presence of someone who might have been a ban evader, and then subsequent looking into that account provides additional evidence.

But if someone really believes this - and has the evidence backing it up - then I invite them to submit a post to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com where we love to discuss such matters.

Like, if that were true, then that would seem to make Admiral Patrick a horrible person?

Calling that “might makes right” is fucking rich when we’re talking about someone curating an entire instance’s personal experiences

Actually I meant it in the sense of being hypocritical - as in some people seem to act as if Might Makes Right, but only when it benefits themselves, though switching to the exact opposite when that would suit them instead. So e.g. they cry out “unfair!” when someone does not follow the rules against them, but then do not play “fair” themselves against others.

And where does this “invite people in” come from? I can’t show a screenshot or point to the official rules anymore since dubvee is down, but his instance was notorious for having a Beehaw-like experience, so why then were people surprised when he enacted precisely those rules that he said, and then, enforce? I genuinely do not know what you mean here, can you provide a reference for me to read? You might be referencing the same “politics” comm that people here are talking about, but which I have searched for and cannot find. If that community was on Lemmy.World though, then wouldn’t it explicitly be against the rules to evade a ban? I am not doubting your sentence (that begins with “Inviting people in”), I am questioning its relevance here to the matter that we are discussing?

He admits his neurodivergencey as the source of his need to curate his personal experience. He may be much happier in the more narrow scope of Beehaw.

I did not realize that he was a mod on a politics comm - with his mindset I would think that he would want to steer well clear of such. Though he is hardly the only one who gets mad at people who are self-righteous - that describes most of us fo sho, me included:-P. I also side with him that people advocating for outright murder here on Lemmy for fairly innocuous behaviors such as “not voting for Kamala Harris” (not supporting her hard enough?) is a bit much for my tastes - besides which it is a violation of Lemmy.World rules (is that where the politics comm was located? I still see his user account, and the list of things that he mods, and I do not see a politics one there?), as well as Dubvee rules, so I can well understand his frustration when people upon being told no simply create an alt and continue unabated.

THAT, as I understand it, is the #1 reason why he left - because people were being so unfriendly in that manner (which I suppose as a mod & admin he saw much more of than we do as mere users?). i.e. it was not merely words in the form of comments or actions in the form of downvotes that drove him away - it was the creation of alts to get around bans, a problem that Reddit is also dealing with and much more of a concern here on the Threadiverse. Consent means nothing to some people, who behave as if Might makes Right, and since the rest of the Threadiverse was not alignment with his thoughts on that topic, he noped out of it. As is his right - his instance, his rules.

I would hope that he did not take it further to censor real, legitimate opinions that were offered respectfully. I have seen no evidence of that so far. The point that I am trying to make here though is that it is not so much “what” people were advocating for (as you spoke to) but rather “how” they were going about doing so (ignoring consent, specifically to the point of overriding prior bans) that ticked him off (or least that is how his message reads to me).

Say whatever you want, in your own home and on your own instance. But when he federates content from other instances that could actually get him thrown into an irl concentration camp if the ears in the walls find it on his servers… well, I can see why he shut it down.

- the Lemmings that you most wish would say “yes”

If you took mayonnaise packets all the way out to like the woods or something where trash cans are not nearby… then yeah bring a plastic baggie or some such along with that to put the trash into.

A lot of them have since left. If they choose to inhabit a Nazi bar though, that is entirely their choice? But I should have the ability to have my own choices too, and not shift the Overton window by having to be on an instance that federates with them.

B-b-but on the other hand, someone got a splinter somewhere in your country, so… you know… bOtH sIdEs SaMe?

(logic is not their strong suite, so much as loudly repeating something until people stop arguing back, at which point they declare victory, feel emboldened, and push even further)

Yes I have lost most hopes for Lemmy, and am going all in on PieFed instead for exactly that reason:-). Though people will actually have to make use of those tools for them to work, so it will take some time to learn I am sure.

It definitely was stated yes. I don’t want to try to search for it now that dubvee.org is down, but fwiw I definitely recall seeing multiple posts by him stating exactly that, how he wanted to replicate “Beehaw” behavior.

Edit: e.g. a link I shared with someone earlier, not that it works anymore but if it helps: https://dubvee.org/post/dubvee.org/1516426 .

At the end of the day, people either feel welcomed here or they do not. Admiral Patrick did not, and now he’s gone. My reply up above was downvoted, so I guess I should not feel welcomed either? Perhaps I should only speak what the group-think wants to hear, and then I could be accepted and loved? :-P I am being facetious obviously (proof: see tongue faced emoji:-D), but underneath that I am also serious: however it happens, we really do need to create / allow spaces for people to discourse on matters, or else it will not happen. Which is why it is not happening, which is why Lemmy is becoming the way that it is. Lemmy is not “dying” - b/c new people are continuing to come here from Reddit - but the ideals that certain people (such as Admiral Patrick) had are dying, the hopes and dreams of what Lemmy could become.

That is definitely a strong factor.