Leaked — US-led Gaza scheme to confine Palestinians in a ‘planned community’, complete with biometric tracking and political 're-education'
  • zeezee@slrpnk.netEnglish
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    4 days ago

    a very respected Arab leader

    you mean the guy who was caught taking £1bn in bribes from BAE for the Al-Yamamah arms deal? the guy who reportedly funded Fatah al-Islam terrorists in Lebanon? the saudi intelligence chief nicknamed “Bandar Bush” because he was so deep in the pockets of the American war machine? that’s your credible source on Palestinian leadership failures?

    sorry I don’t have time to go point by point why you’ve presented a very one sided story that conveniently omits the main reason why Arab states feel reluctant to support the Palestinians - the fact they’ll have to go against the US empire and its buddies which economically and militarily outcompete them - your posturing around how its the Palestinian authorities fault they can’t have allies under an active occupation turned genocide just shrugs away responsibility from the ones that have real power onto those that have extremely limited options of resistance.

    • Limerance@piefed.socialEnglish
      11·
      4 days ago

      You are forgetting 1948, 67, 73 when lots of Arab countries waged large scale war against Israel. There was even a huge oil embargo in the 1970s by Arabs against the West, causing huge economic turmoil.

      Of course having a good relationship to the US is important to many countries. It’s very beneficial to them. However those governments opposed to the US aren’t particularly great for their population either.

      There’s certainly no lack of bad regimes in the Middle East. Bribes and arms deals are just how business is done there.

      Regarding Prince Bandar and Saudi policies in the region. Saddam’s Iraq became an enemy with his invasion of Kuwait. Iraq had been a regional rival to the Saudis even back to the time it had a Hashemite king. The Hashemite and Saudi clans are old rivals for power in the region. Saudis have their own interests in the region. Iran is a regional rival for example and their Islamist ideology a direct threat to the kingdom. Yes, Saudis have played some stupid games with spreading Wahhabism and supporting Islamists militias against other governments in the region. Of course the Saudis prioritize their own interests above the Palestinian cause. They have been a big supporter historically both financially and politically.

      I really recommend you watch the interview to hear another perspective and his personal interactions with Arafat during the peace process.

      Also Palestinians have agency and have influenced the history of the region significantly since 1948. It’s patronizing to see them only as victims.

      • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 days ago

        after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - Ben Gurion

        No wonder arabs was trying to stop the occupation plan from the start

        • Limerance@piefed.socialEnglish
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          2 days ago

          Arab leaders were promising massacres and ethnic cleansing of the Jews from Palestine in the wake of the war. “Throw them back int the sea.”

          Jews in nascent Israel at that time was mostly refugees from Europe, but also Yemen for example. They didn’t have any other place to go to. Nobody wanted them. For them it was fight for their lives or be killed.

          Remember that Jews were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank, Gaza, and Jerusalem. Jerusalem had been majority Jewish for decades and some of the oldest Jewish quarters were in the Eastern part.

          After the war was won by Israel. 800,000 Jews were expelled from Arab and Muslim countries and mostly went to Israel. Adding more Jews to the land with no other place to go to.

          It’s a pretty shit situation overall and was from the beginning.

          • mrdown@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 days ago

            Arab leaders were promising massacres and ethnic cleansing of the Jews from Palestine in the wake of the war. “Throw them back int the sea.”

            Why did Arab not ethnically cleansed jews from their countries until Israel ethnically cleansed Palestine from where Israel was created? Because Arabs did not have a problem with jews they have a problem with Zionist who came under pretext of being refuges just to reveal after that that they . You keep removing important fact to make Israel look better. Why did you not mention the nekba?

            Why don’t you mention that zionists also admited to want the whole land?

            after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - The terrorist and first prime minister of Israel Ben Gurion

            but also Yemen for example The Yemeni jews who came to Palestine was welcomed. Palestinians Arabs and Yemeni jews was participating in each other festivities

            They didn’t have any other place to go to. Nobody wanted them. For them it was fight for their lives or be killed. This is a lie . The Jewish Autonomous Oblast existed . Also just because other countries didn’t want them doesn’t mean recent immigrants has the right to force a state on the local people . Also the part of land jews owned was noncontiguous so the ethnic cleansing of Palestine was inevitable

            After the war was won by Israel. 800,000 Jews were expelled from Arab and Muslim countries and mostly went to Israel. Adding more Jews to the land with no other place to go to. This is true and like I mentioned in the beginning it was Israel who started the ethnic cleansing it doesn’t make the Arab decision right but it is an important detail you shouldn’t remove and not all was expulsed by Arabs for vengeance . Zionists did false flag operations to push some to leave by themselves and even deals with Arab leaders to transfer many jews to Israel

            It’s a pretty shit situation overall and was from the beginning. It is a shit situation because of people like you who both side the occupied and occupier