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As a North Carolinian. Take me with you
Gilead*
Southwest Canada reporting in. I’ll admit we’re flirting with joining Denmark.
Sorry.
That’s fine. We understand.
As someone who lives in Wisconsin I’m thankful for bordering Illinois and Minnesota. Otherwise I don’t think we would’ve made the cut to get into the USC
As someone who knows a lot of wisconsinites I can confirm
Jesusland
CSAL: the Christian State of American Liberty, home of Y’all Queda
Californian here.
Where do I sign?
I’m right behind you!
I’m right behind you!
I don’t think Jesus would want to be associated with this dump.
I don’t think Peter Pan or Luke Skywalker would want to be associated with him either
i don’t think jesus ever actually existed
The general scholarly consensus is that he did in fact exist. The only thing really up for debate is what he did or didn’t do, and who he was or was not the son of.
that’s not true
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The current consensus has a lot of concessions baked in. These don’t exactly make it a purely secular stance. Such as the order of the gospels, the date of the earliest manuscript, and “non canon” manuscripts being dated as “later” just simply because that fits the Christian narrative. And in fact, this consensus is starting to change, or at least being challenged more frequently.
The general scholarly consensus is that he did in fact exist. The only thing really up for debate is what he did or didn’t do, and who he was or was not the son of.
To say that a thing existed - oh, except all these other things attributed to the thing are just bullshit, so you can ignore them - really does preclude the actual existence of the thing. Nobody cares if Jesus of Nazareth, the prehistoric huckster but otherwise normal human “existed.” So did Rudy of Nazareth, but he was a used chariot salesman, and he didn’t get lionized into mythology.
I mean, there are probably at least dozens of people named “Jesus Christ” today. The name is only a fraction of the character… what he did or didn’t do is pretty damn important in the context of religious mythology. I don’t think anyone really cares if scholars agree that there was a dude named Jesus Christ in the timeframe / region of interest if he was just an average Joe. …or even a way-above-average Joe: his fame boils down to doing magic. Not tricks, but actual magic. So, what do scholars say about a guy named Jesus Christ who can make fish and bread appear out of thin air, perform alchemy on water to turn it into wine, or press the pause button on water displacement?
The main takeaway from Jesus is his message. It’s important to note that people’s beliefs form their own reality. For example when Jesus did the whole fishes and loaves thing, he probably didn’t multiply all that food. But the people listening to him believed in him and found it in themselves to share their food with the people who didn’t have any. So it seemed like a miracle. When Jesus “healed lepers” it’s because he treated them like people. A lot of the homeless are literally crazy because people ignore them, but if you take the effort to treat them like real people, then they act like normal people.
However, I agree there isn’t a way to explain the resurrection. But that’s the difference between Christians and non-Christians. You don’t have to believe in the resurrection and that’s a perfectly valid standpoint. But I really think it’s an injustice to treat Jesus as a magic man when he really just wanted everyone to love each other. The people around him believed he was really the son of God and maybe that’s simply because they had never received the unconditional love and respect Jesus would show them.
Unlikely.
What is reasonably likely is that there was a person named Yeshwa ben Yosef, born a few years before 0CE, died somewhere around 30CE, who preached and started a Judaism-based cult and who might’ve been a carpenter. He most likely had a reputation for miracles, which is mentioned in non-Christian sources which have no reason to glorify him. (Do note that modern cult leaders and televangelists also often have such reputations.) He was also probably crucified, although probably not for the reasons given in the Bible.
Things like his conception without sex or him being a fish copying machine have no evidence. It’s not even sure if he claimed to be the son of God or the Messiah; apparently he did probably have an end-times cult and did probably assume that he’d get to run the world after divine rule is instituted globally.
So yeah, he probably was some dude who started a cult (which wasn’t even that unusual at the time), was good enough at preaching to get a major audience, and was probably executed because sooner important people considered him a political threat. His cult survived him and people started embellishing his life just a tiny little bit.
That is an incredibly appropriate username.
Yeah obviously this extremely important religious leader who was famously executed existed—that’s why we have exactly 0 written record from anyone who ever claimed to have met anyone who ever claimed to have met him. That’s why practically all the documentation of his life and deeds comes from decades after his high profile execution. Because he very definitely existed.
It’s a little more complicated. There were a bunch of messianic cults at the time so it’s likely a bunch of stories about multiple leaders were eventually all attributed to Jesus. And while there isn’t any definitive proof the man existed, there’s enough reasonable evidence that a guy called Yeshua from Nazareth existed that led a messianic cult, and more there’s nothing that disputes the evidence of a man existing. But that’s like saying we have evidence a guy called Bob from Newport existed, it was a common name. Anyway it’s more there’s nothing disproving his existence so there’s no reason to think a guy didn’t exist.
The biblical jesus didn’t exist. There’s evidence that a Jesus existed, and was notable enough to piss off the Roman administration.
A lot of the biblical stories are older than jesus however, so he has a lot of existing “lore” tacked on to him. He was likely a nomadic wise/holy man who built up a bit of a following and was then crucified.
there’s one mention of a jesus that fits, in roman records. one time, one person, wrote a name down.
could that be a real person or maybe a story about a person?
not just biblical stories predated jesus, but the entire story is exactly the same as Zoroaster.
from the exact same region, exact same people, “first recorded in the mid-6th century BCE”.
some people just made a reboot of Zoroastrianism… probably the romans, on purpose, to make their combo-religion to govern all romans (catholicism)
jesus did not exist at all
Neither did Frodo Baggins, but he wouldn’t want to be associated with America either.
Well, good, he won’t be as upset when he gets deported.
It would be more accurate to call it Supply-Side-Jesusland.
He doesn’t really have a choice. Sometimes you just got to grab them by the son of God.
sigh id only have to move one state over…
I’m having flashbacks of reading Fall; or, Dodge in Hell
This. We’re already there.
We call them Provinces here.
Hmm,.so we’d have the bulk of EV sales, the better coast, all 5 great lakes, direct access to Mexico, additional ports for Pacific shipping, more than double our population, and be as far away from Alabama as possible?
Sweet friggin deal, eh?
If you include Colorado (you should, it’s very blue at this point) then you also get all the nuclear weapons and major military bases! You get NOAA, USGS, BLM and more!
Would you say it’s very blue? Was 54% for Harris in 2024, which is….blue, sure but not ‘very’ is it? Genuine question on that. However , looking at the map, it’s basically what I thought, Denver does a ton of work yanking it left, where most other places are garbage. Obvious exceptions like the college towns, ski towns, and interestingly I think grand junction? That surprises me a bit, are left. However, all those bases that are supposedly the gains for Canada in this scenario…. Are quite red.
Any town in Colorado is pretty much blue. The red are from those living in the sticks. Even those barely voted red. Seeing how someone is saying we need to include Austin and Dallas in the map, then yeah Colorado (all of it) should definitely be on there.
… …. Colorado Springs? Pueblo? Looks like Trinidad? All the eastern towns limon? I mean….
We make Colorado like West Berlin was during the Cold War.
A little island of freedom in an authoritarian sea.
Stop lumping everyone in neat little buckets. Even in the most red of states you’d be abandoning 40% of voters to these fascists. This there are a lot of non voters.
And there are plenty of fascists in blue states and Canada.
Stop lumping everyone in neat little buckets
It’s not like you can swoop in and take just Austin. But if you storm in and take all of Texas, you’ll be overrun by the majority of fascists.
I would say you need to take the blue and perhaps the purple states, get them self-sufficient with proper healthcare, raise the quality of life up to par, fix education, the judicial system, and elder care. The blue cities within the red states will gladly immigrate, leaving behind a broken and desolated hellscape in their wake that the rural residents wouldn’t touch. Taxes will go through the roof with population drain. The blue cities and suburbs will grow. You’ll get more of the red to convert. Your own housing crisis will just evaporate.
If you try to eat the red shit-sandwhich whole, the red will just add to your own red and we’ll be drinking our poison from the same vine.
Shouldn’t Alberta be part of Jesusland?
Don’t worry, the CIA is trying to do a little regime change in Alberta as a treat. That’s where all the oil is!
I think they would sooner call it The Confederate States of America.
New Confederate states of America
Gilead
Blessed be the fruit.
