The ONLY way this stops happening is if ICE runs out of people to deploy. That means making their job harder, riskier, less pleasant, and just generally shittier. That means direct action, not dicking around on the side of the road giving them an audience.
Sure, that’s a viable approach. But frankly at that point I’m far less worried about ICE who are generally untrained, and inexperienced, than the military which IS quite competent, and far better equipped.
The difference is that 100% of the people in ICE are comfortable with being the US secret police because that is literally all the agency has ever done. Think that is true of the US Military? Have you taken a look at the demographics of the US military recently?
I haven’t no, all I know is the “some good some bad” from my own anecdotal experience. Please enlighten me though if you have numbers. (I don’t mean that sarcastically I just tend to speak formally like this apparently). I am genuinely curious.
I found myself in a similarly ‘my way is the high way’ conversation the other day. Some people are at a point where talking over nuance is taken as a personal affront. This leads to taking dialogue out of context or refusing to answer questions or any number of things.
Quite the shame as it’s just another example of infighting and tends to become a distraction.
There’s definitely been a surge of it, but I’m not convinced they’re all genuine.
There are certainly a lot of bad actors out there, posing as leftists, and sowing inflammatory rhetoric and discord throughout left-wing spaces by calling for violence and insulting/strawmanning anyone who has the gall to disagree with them…
This “violence is the only way crowd” are certainly not out there in the cold putting their asses on the line. Most of them probably aren’t even in the US.
I doubt the person you responded to is even in the US. They’re just sowing discord, trying to tear apart the resistance with auth-comm “violence-only” rhetoric and calling anybody who disagrees with them or has a more nuanced take a fascist…
The ONLY way this stops happening is if ICE runs out of people to deploy. That means making their job harder, riskier, less pleasant, and just generally shittier. That means direct action, not dicking around on the side of the road giving them an audience.
Sure, that’s a viable approach. But frankly at that point I’m far less worried about ICE who are generally untrained, and inexperienced, than the military which IS quite competent, and far better equipped.
The difference is that 100% of the people in ICE are comfortable with being the US secret police because that is literally all the agency has ever done. Think that is true of the US Military? Have you taken a look at the demographics of the US military recently?
I haven’t no, all I know is the “some good some bad” from my own anecdotal experience. Please enlighten me though if you have numbers. (I don’t mean that sarcastically I just tend to speak formally like this apparently). I am genuinely curious.
I’ve found that anyone advocating “only one way” to do anything to not put a whole lot of conscious thought into their directives.
There is always an alternative. And often those alternatives can be done in parallel.
Anyone who tells you “you should stop doing what youre doing because only my way works” only has their own interests in mind.
I found myself in a similarly ‘my way is the high way’ conversation the other day. Some people are at a point where talking over nuance is taken as a personal affront. This leads to taking dialogue out of context or refusing to answer questions or any number of things.
Quite the shame as it’s just another example of infighting and tends to become a distraction.
There’s definitely been a surge of it, but I’m not convinced they’re all genuine.
There are certainly a lot of bad actors out there, posing as leftists, and sowing inflammatory rhetoric and discord throughout left-wing spaces by calling for violence and insulting/strawmanning anyone who has the gall to disagree with them…
This “violence is the only way crowd” are certainly not out there in the cold putting their asses on the line. Most of them probably aren’t even in the US.
Imaginary alternatives that you haven’t even bothered to suggest?
I doubt the person you responded to is even in the US. They’re just sowing discord, trying to tear apart the resistance with auth-comm “violence-only” rhetoric and calling anybody who disagrees with them or has a more nuanced take a fascist…
“Dicking around on the side of the road” is the only reason we have high quality video from several angles of ICE/border patrol murdering people.