Kind of funny considering that Visio is the name of another Microsoft product.
ETA: I’m not defending Microsoft’s usage of the term ‘Visio’ here. The French use of that term makes a lot of sense, and Microsoft has an annoying tendency of using and copyrighting very common terms like ‘Word’ or ‘SQL Server’. And France (or the French government) should be allowed to use it for their video conferencing software. I’m just smiling at the idea of some people opening Microsoft Visio by mistake and trying to figure out how to make a call through a diagramming app.
People who use Visio, probably wont even have (the wrong) Visio installed. There shouldn’t be any confusion.
It’s also a French word that means video conference (as a shortened form of visioconférence).
Gosh, someone should tell the Microsoft teams team that Microsoft teams for business and Microsoft teams for personal and Microsoft teams for students are also using the same names and make communication difficult. They should get a copilot team on it
Microslop can cry about it.
I doubt they will care that much. But it will create a bit of confusion, at least for since in the short-term.
And because of that confusion they will have a trademark complaint
In that case we’ll call it Frisio, French Visio.
sounds like something they buried 20 years ago. next msbob bobot
Why not open source solutions for most of those?
If is. It’s free (orI guess libre makes more sense since they are French) under Apache-2.0
Yea Nextcloud already has a replacement for most of Microsoft. 365 and is Open Source.
No need to reinvent the wheel
Who tells them that “Visio” is already a trademark?
By Microsoft, no less.
I’m 100% in favor of this. Erode that trademark!
Probably not an enforceable trademark in France.
It is, and I genuinely worry that Microsoft will bitch about it.
https://www.tmdn.org/tmview/#/tmview/detail/FR500000098727661
It’s literally a generic word for video call.
They might have registered it but in the EU it’s not enforceable in the context of video calls.
If Microsoft tries to defend it in that context they could lose it in all contexts.
It is, and I genuinely worry that Microsoft will bitch about it.
The software is called Meet. Visio is just the name of the name of the government platform Meet is running on which is internal use only.
Do you know what happens to trademarks and patents when a country starts threatening its (previous) allies with military invasion and tradewars, and start undermining the values of those allies? You’re right! It goes into the square hole! Heck, maybe I’m going to start a new software company tomorrow called Microsoft, and then threaten left and right with all crazy shit if anybody complains. Nobody will care about US trademarks since US disqualified itself by now.
Trademarks don’t matter when it’s only for internal use.
Visio and W…
They need to open up naming to public vote.
Cally McCallface
Me-Cally Call-kin
The French use “Visio” kinda like a generic term to talk about a video call (short for visio-conférence), I find that much better already than that W nonsense.
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I still don’t understand why half of the US still support a president that is doing a long term damage
@DarkSideOfTheMoon In a word? Marketing
It’s a bit more complicated but essentially only a third support him, a third oppose, and a third are either too stupid to know what side to choose or too lazy to do anything. In my opinion it’s this third camp that are the worst of the worst. At least the Trumpers are doing what they think is right, these guys are just lazy and willing to just let anything happen to them as long as they can watch Netflix and buy Funko pops.
Shows the importance of having a proper primary process. Biden fucked up and dropped out of the race way too late for any democratic candidate to have time to build up hype and momentum. Just being the VP shouldn’t make one an automatic default candidate. Harris did pretty bad during the Primary back in 2020, she just was not popular and didn’t inspire enough people to go vote.
Harris could have won, when she first announced, and then picked the left candidate for VP, her popularity skyrocketed, then cratered as she embraced the policies that had just killed the Biden campaign.
A democrat cannot win on “we’re going to be Republicans, but more competent”.
Which is exactly what dems are planning when they fund ICE, but ask that the gestapo stop wearing masks.
Harris did pretty bad during the Primary back in 2020
Harris actually dropped out months before the primaries in 2020. She was something like 16th most popular candidate at the time she withdrew. She was a pretty unpopular AG in California at the time and likely would not have even won her own state primary.
Overwhelming propaganda.
Why *less than half
These particular news are based and a long-term good for the humanity. Moving from spying corpo slop to an open-source solution is a win-win for the french people. Sad that it is only happening now, this should have been done decades ago, the US empire and its corporations have always been evil. Now they are just showing their true face to europe and the US population.
This is happening now because the national security hawks are suddenly (and temporarily) on the same side as open source/ privacy advocates on this specific threat.
Yes, the reasoning behind this is sad, but the outcome is very positive.
i dont understand your comment? you know and we should tske care about the people that have the same tendencies. “it’s a hell of a drug”
Anything that kicks big tech’s teeth in is good.
ohh i can’t express how much i like that image.
Visio? Don’t they have to pay for copyright on the name “Visio” to Microsoft?
Visio is also a common French word for videoconference.
That would be like making a phone app called Phone, and Samsung trying to claim copyright because they call their app Phone, too.
Didn’t Apple try to she sue when google called his store for apps “app store”?
Lol, replacing one o365 product with one named identically to another o365 product, classic.
Came to comment this. I know there are only so many letters, and so many combinations of 4-8 of them, but can we quit naming new things with the name of an old thing?
Finding any details about France’s Visio is going to be a cluster.
Nah, you can always come up with new combos. They could have named it ‘squonchy’ or ‘flurgled’, for example.
Pray explain how those are pronounced in French?
Just like they’re written.
Visio is [the shorthand of] what the french call a video call
visioconférence
Does that make this better? A translated French search query would be ‘joining video call isn’t working’ and that will return results for every conference tool known to man.
Call it something like FVC (la France VisioConférence) , or some French play on the way that sounds, which would be a uniquely searchable term in this domain.
This is not a hill I’m dying on, but it’s terminally short sighted and a bad user experience to name your product the same thing as a microslop trademark. They are the worst for this already with their multiple active variants of office 365 tools like outlook and their xbox name nonsense.
Oh, I have a great idea for a new car company. Lets call it ‘Car’! Then people can have a Car Car, or maybe even a Car Car 2026… oh or a Car Truck when we branch out. (future google search: replace car truck 2028 oil filter)
It’s opensource ! https://github.com/suitenumerique/meet
uhhhh on github :(
… What’s wrong with GitHub?
The software that’s made to escape Microsoft’s ecosystem is being hosted on Microsoft’s GitHub.
Can’t tell of sarcasm or serious, damn Poe’s law.
Underrated comment
It’s open source and they have documentation for self-hosting it !
Why not jitsi meet? Isn’t better to use an already “established” opensource conferencing tool?
They could just selfhost their instance.
They’ve been building an entire open source suite of software tailored to their needs. If I had to guess, Jitsi isn’t performant enough for large (100+) user meetings in a way they can scale easily. It’s a great tool, but it seems better geared towards smaller loads. Video conferencing at scale is a pretty big challenge.
Between this, their new Docs platform and some Matrix-based chat platforms, I think this is something they’ve put a fair bit of thought into how they want to build. Overall, it’s a cool initiative, but I think it’s pretty clear that it’s open source as a means to be transparent as a government organization rather than to form a platform for broad use by everyone. They do have some self-hosting instructions on their GitHub though.
I was wondering the same, but this does make sense.
At the same time, it might also make sense to build on top of existing FOSS tooling rather than building new, but I suppose that depends on where the bottlenecks are and if stuff like proprietary codecs might be involved
Jitsi is owned by a Campbell, California based firm called 8x8. Source: I worked for them during the acquisition.
Though admittedly avoiding US origin open source is unlikely to be possible. The thing they are using seems to be based on another package with a similar issue.
Being open source, that’s a non issue.
This “find out” phase is gonna go on for a long, long time.
The “find out” will take forever. France just decided that a “sovereign server” can be AWS or any US big-tech providing the physical server is located in France.
France has also signed a contract with Microsoft (“sovereign” solution again) for the national health data hub, even as a parliament investigation had MS France GM stating MS can’t guarantee the data won’t leak to the US!
Most political leader are grossly ignorant on anything IT.Most political leader are grossly ignorant on anything IT.
And corrupt.
Hope it’s public code if it’s paid with public money! Replacing it with proprietary software would be leaving one abusive relationship straight into another.
It is. Currently their code is published under an Apache 2.0 license. There’s links to it on the website, but the whole suite is on Github. It would be nice to see them migrate that codebase elsewhere down the line though
i wonder if Isreal designed it for them.
If it is Israel it’s the same picture
