• misk@piefed.socialOP
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      They’ve been one big tech company that historically resists this kind of pressure.

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    Apple said switching on the feature does not affect the precision of location data shared with apps, or shared with first responders during an emergency call.

    So stingrays will start spoofing emergency calls?

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      Emergency calls are outbound, not inbound. I hope that iPhones don’t share location like they can do when placing an emergency call

      i hope

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        Yeah; that’s the problem. I hope Apple releases a technical document outlining how the system works, because otherwise it’s a “trust me, bro” situation.

        Still better than the current reality, but it’s not going to be driving me to buy a new iPhone.

        I do wonder if there are any technical reasons the system can’t support older phones.

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      I think they meant that when you call emergency services then this protection is disabled, probably temporarily.

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        Yes, but what triggers it to be disabled? It can’t be in hardware because emergency services differ on location; if it’s a code the emergency services provider sends back, that’s something a stingray could spoof when being in adversary in the middle mode — that is, any outbound call you make is treated as an emergency call.

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          This thing is supposed to prevent you from getting tracked via cell network. If someone is on to you and is also capable of deploying Stingray in your area then they know about your location about as much as they could from the cell network.

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            If there’s a stingray in your neighborhood, it’s not likely tracking you; it’s tracking everyone. If the information it gathers on you turns out to be useful in the future, that’s a feature.

            Imagine you live in an area where there are street protests. A stingray is set up to identify all the devices that are in the area during a protest.

            Then imagine you have an appointment at a government building that lines up with a called in threat. The stingray at that building ID’s your phone as having been at the protest and bingo! You’re considered guilty until you can prove your innocence.

            Of course, with this tech, there’d be no way to differentiate between protesters and homeowners, whereas right now the location is accurate enough to tell them apart.

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              If there’s a Stingray in your neighbourhood and it wasn’t meant for you then law enforcement started to replace regular cell network with Stingrays, which is unlikely. A phone knows it’s dialling emergency number because it’s preprogrammed into SIM.

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    No one cares.

    Cisco’s “Wireless 3D Analyzer” will do the same.

    My last job was using it 5 years ago to show where everyone was during a concert so the cops know who was near the victim at the time he was injured.

    It’s spooky accurate.