That’s a 2016 comment. Yes they want Europe devided and the UK fell for it. Now Europe is weaker because of UK voters. Europe won’t get stronger ever. The EU might, if members keep close and focused. Nobody has time for a country which keeps cultivating a special relationship with one of EU’s declared adversaries. What happens when the UK has to chose between 5 eyes and EU defense? Between sovereign technology and US hyperscalers?
As a Brit I would support the UK reducing its ties with the US and increasing its ties with Europe. The UK’s values (democracy, rule of law, public healthcare, welfare safety net) are closer to those of Europe, than those of the US. Maybe over the next few years the UK will slowly get closer to Europe.
You said before that “those fuckers… voted for Brexit” but remember that only 52% of voters supported Brexit and 48% were against it, and Brexit is now less popular than it was in 2016.
You’re right, most Brits got fucked by 52% of people who voted. Would today’s voters vote the UK back into the block?
Your first bit is all the most heartbreaking considering the UK was a beacon of democracy in Europe throughout the whole 20th Century, with peaceful transfers of power, rule of law, protection of minorities, and the stubborn and successful resistance against totalitarianism.
I guess nobody has time for Germany, Estonia, Turkey, Italy, Romania, Belgium, Poland, Spain, Norway, or the Netherlands either, then? Because there are a lot of US air force bases in Europe…
one of EU’s declared adversaries
Nonsense. The USA is in a really bad place right now and their current administration doesn’t favour the EU, but we’re not at the “declared adversary” stage. Given the American military occupation of Europe in all but name, you’d know if the Yanks declared us as adversaries.
You have to have a lot of faith in the US democracy to think that this regime is not here to stay.
US bases in the EU is a double edge sword and might indeed stab Europeans in the back. Trump and Putin are already dividing Ukraine, who’s next?
That’s a 2016 comment. Yes they want Europe devided and the UK fell for it. Now Europe is weaker because of UK voters. Europe won’t get stronger ever. The EU might, if members keep close and focused. Nobody has time for a country which keeps cultivating a special relationship with one of EU’s declared adversaries. What happens when the UK has to chose between 5 eyes and EU defense? Between sovereign technology and US hyperscalers?
Europe is weaker because of Russian propaganda and meddling.
As a Brit I would support the UK reducing its ties with the US and increasing its ties with Europe. The UK’s values (democracy, rule of law, public healthcare, welfare safety net) are closer to those of Europe, than those of the US. Maybe over the next few years the UK will slowly get closer to Europe.
You said before that “those fuckers… voted for Brexit” but remember that only 52% of voters supported Brexit and 48% were against it, and Brexit is now less popular than it was in 2016.
You’re right, most Brits got fucked by 52% of people who voted. Would today’s voters vote the UK back into the block?
Your first bit is all the most heartbreaking considering the UK was a beacon of democracy in Europe throughout the whole 20th Century, with peaceful transfers of power, rule of law, protection of minorities, and the stubborn and successful resistance against totalitarianism.
I guess nobody has time for Germany, Estonia, Turkey, Italy, Romania, Belgium, Poland, Spain, Norway, or the Netherlands either, then? Because there are a lot of US air force bases in Europe…
Nonsense. The USA is in a really bad place right now and their current administration doesn’t favour the EU, but we’re not at the “declared adversary” stage. Given the American military occupation of Europe in all but name, you’d know if the Yanks declared us as adversaries.
To quote Carney at Davos: “nostalgia is not a strategy”.
You have to have a lot of faith in the US democracy to think that this regime is not here to stay. US bases in the EU is a double edge sword and might indeed stab Europeans in the back. Trump and Putin are already dividing Ukraine, who’s next?