The Finnish company Jolla is back with the Linux-powered Jolla Phone. It’s being positioned as an antidote to the US-dominated smartphone status quo of Android and iOS.

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The Finnish company Jolla is back with the Linux-powered Jolla Phone. It’s being positioned as an antidote to the US-dominated smartphone status quo of Android and iOS.

  • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
    551·
    3 days ago

    With Motorola going with GrapheneOS and Jolla coming back with a Linux phone, I wonder how Denmark will react. Will the Danish government make versions of Mit ID for these operating systems?

    For those who don’t know, “nemkonto” is a centralised digital ID system in the Danish government to which all your things are tied. You use a security app called “Mit ID” to log into places that make use of your personal information.

    Your bank requires your Mit ID, your doctor requires your Mit ID, your ISP requires your Mit ID. Every time you log into anything remotely official you are required to log in with Mit ID.

    On Android it requires Google’s security services and a locked down phone to function. So rooting is not an option, as it takes away your ability to use your phone to simply… Exist… As a citizen.

    You can get a code key device from the Kommune, but you can only use that to log into things through the Web browser of your PC. On your phone you are required to use the app, and if thr app doesn’t work then you’re simply not logging in. Something as basic as checking your bank balance becomes a major annoyance.

    • ArcticDagger@feddit.dkEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      Re: the code device. All apps requiring MitID works perfectly fine on the phone without the app as far as I can tell. There’s no need to use the web browser of your PC. Source: I had the code device and a phone with e/os/

    • njordomir@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      What stops you from using the code key device with your phone. Can it not plug into any USB port and output a code? If their site says it doesn’t work on mobile, can you change the browser user agent?

      • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        Code key device is not something you plug into a USB. You push a button and it generates a code for manual input.

        On websites that require a Mit ID log-in you have options to change to the code device instead. With an app on your phone it requires the Mit ID app to be present, as well as the phone to still have Google’s security process running.

        Several apps can have the Google security spoofed, but still require the Mit ID app. Mit ID, on the other hand, cannot be spoofed at all.

        • njordomir@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          I see, that’s frustrating, especially if the same functionality isn’t available via the web. My university’s IT department helped with exceptions and gave me a workaround to the Windows/Mac-only VPN software they were using and made me a different kind of account to login on my Linux laptop so I could access intranet resources. Unfortunately, this wasn’t advertised and I didn’t find out about it until a year in.

    • Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      191·
      2 days ago

      That sounds so dystopian and yet so many governments are moving towards similar ideas.

      • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        1 day ago

        It does have quite a few upsides as well. Identity theft is harder than ever, everything requires 2FA, there is a lot less bureaucracy and paperwork, and almost everything just works.

        Everything is digital, cash is only for drugs and old people. If I travel to the other end of Europe, it feels like the stone ages lol

    • frank@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      Yup, my biggest reason for not running e/os on my Fairphone in denmark. Idk what to do other than carry 2 phones or wait

    • testaccount372920@piefed.zipEnglish
      10·
      3 days ago

      I’ve felt the pain of the mitID strictness, it really sucks. But can’t you request the desktop version of a site om your phone when logging in and using the code key device?

      • Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dkEnglish
        13·
        2 days ago

        The MitID keygen works on mobile browsers, it just has to be chromium based and all telemetry enabled. It is not a nice experience, but in a pinch it’s doable.

        • NotAnOctopus@piefed.socialEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          I’ve been using it with Fennec (not Chromium) and Vanadium On Graphene as recently as this morning. Have had no issues with the code display

          • Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dkEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            Yea it sucks, but that’s sadly how it is for most danish government sites. It’s almost like everything is hardcoded for chromium and anyone not using that can get fucked. That is at least my experience though I should mention that librewolf on Linux works flawlessly.

      • Lumisal@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        2 days ago

        You can use the key card for manual input in that case. I had to use it for awhile myself

      • thecoffeehobbit@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        5·
        2 days ago

        Not all Finnish banks require play services for their apps, if any. Mine works just fine on eOS. Don’t know about Mobiilivarmenne, if you’d rather use that

        • rants_unnecessarily@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          Is this a recent change?
          I don’t know about play services, but a few years ago I received errors that the security of my device was compromised or something, if I installed a different OS, and couldn’t use banking apps.

          Edit: come to think of it, it wasn’t “a few” years, more like “many years” ago.