• Jentu@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    You have to realize that this kind of question just makes people go straight to “death to America”, not “we have to vote for a more polite team to continue America’s long and bipartisan tradition of genocide, slavery, and imperialism”, right? Your framing is likely making people less likely to vote if that’s what you care about.

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      1 day ago

      Well, I’m pretty sure those people were going to throw their vote away again anyway.

      If some rando’s framing prevents someone from voting - ehh they really weren’t gonna vote anyway.

      And, to be fair, if they’re saying “death to America” then letting the republicans run the table is a great way to accomplish that.

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        1 day ago

        Even if that is the case, “republicans cheat” isn’t a great argument to get non-voters (not those who purposefully abstained) to vote.

        So what you’ve accomplished here is that (from your point of view), leftists are more likely to vote Republican and (from my point of view) non voters are demoralized further by their lack of sway in a place where democracy is already dead, causing them to stay home. People don’t like participating in rigged systems where cheating is common. If you didn’t want republicans to keep winning, you should probably delete this post lol.

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          non voters are demoralized further by their lack of sway in a place where democracy is already dead, causing them to stay home.

          Sounds like some .ml stuff, alright

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              15 hours ago

              oh the messenger eh. The person who has no authority whatsoever? That person?

              And who might that be?

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                9 hours ago

                Non-voters already have no motivation to go to the polls even with the current state of the world and you’ve just told them that it’s not a fairly run election lmao. Why do you think someone needs to have authority to tell you the issue here?

                I think you just don’t like feeling uncomfortable with feeling like dems are going to lose yet again to the worst people on the planet if you don’t anxiously post memes and comments in support of the democrats. They aren’t organically popular. They need people like you to remind others that this system, like the divine right of kings, is a system that is will last throughout time. But this system is better because we get to choose the face of our abusers. It’s the best we can do and we don’t deserve better. Thank you for letting the livestock know their place.

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                  9 hours ago

                  No I mean the messenger in “shooting the messenger” is a person with no authority. That’s why shooting them is pointless.

                  Voters have authority.

                  You’ve got quite the complete dystopian take on elections, which is all cynical hyperbole and somehow wishful thinking, and must have taken awhile to refine so well done. But, you have the authority to throw your vote away to ensure the realization of that take so - okay.

                  I’m gonna go over here though where there’s a way to make things better. Because that is possible.

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                    8 hours ago

                    I’m sure when leftists are blamed again for not voting for someone funding a genocide, you’ll be all over the angry comments being like “no, you see, they told us this would happen explicitly, so it’s useless to be angry at them!” and definitely won’t join in on shooting said messengers. Leftists are simultaneously numerous enough to cost the democrats the election while also being not numerous enough for the democrats to want to move left to capture that block. The enemy is weak and also strong.

                    Do voters actually have authority? How many incredibly popular policies are ignored and how many incredibly unpopular policies are pushed through regardless? Princeton University said public opinion has “near-zero” impact on U.S. law. Should you just make a meme that tells voters to enact their authority on all those in the Epstein files if you believe their authority exists? Seems like voters have a singular ability to legitimize the authority of those who rule over us. You don’t even know if I live in a swing state or not to ascertain if my vote actually matters. In your mind, should the only political people be those in purple states? Should people in solid red or blue states not coordinate about more helpful solutions other than voting for who kills endless people here and abroad? When democrats regain power and continue deadly republican policy, will you be too busy celebrating at brunch to care?