Found this graph online for anyone who might still be confused. I think this makes it much more clear.

  • yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zipEnglish
    71·
    6 days ago

    You can indeed be a right wing liberal, it is however more difficult to be a left wing conservative

      • yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zipEnglish
        51·
        6 days ago

        If we consider one of the key value of the “left” being progress, I think it is difficult to concillate both.

      • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
        711·
        6 days ago

        Not on lemmy, where being left means you have to absolutely and entirely go along with whatever the others feel should be a leftist belief. Purity tests all day every day, followed up by literal campaigns and concerted efforts by other “leftists” against the offending people.

        See the whole online boycott war being fought against .ml because the owners ran afoul of something. Lemmy is just as stupid as other social media but has a different demographic, which makes it at least for the time being more palatable.

        A “conservative” leftist would probably be someone who generally agrees on economic theory but has a less open and progressive view towards social issues such as marriage rights or immigration.

        • yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zipEnglish
          81·
          6 days ago

          What you define is segregation : a society where progress benefits me, but not you, because you are different.

          • GregorGizeh@lemmy.zipEnglish
            33·
            5 days ago

            What i define is how most actually socialist or communist countries of the past were organized though. See for example the GDR, socially just as conservative as most other countries at the time; to the point that the formerly GDR part of germany is now a breeding ground for far right political power.

            My point is not that socially conservative ideas have merit, but that they are not inherently ideologically incompatible with wanting a not-capitalist economy. And that we do ourselves little good by constantly falling back into the old leftist trope of never being able to achieve political power because everyone only agrees on like, 90% of issues.

            • yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zipEnglish
              6·
              5 days ago

              You are mixing a lot of things here : capitalist vs anti capitalist regime is not this same as progressive/conservative politics.

              If you believe social progress should benefit only you and not me, you are not progressive.

              And I’d like to point out that all regimes you mention are not different from any other : they all had a ruling class. This is, again, not progressive.

              And as I pointed out in an other comment: studies suggest that Totalitarianism is not about left or right, because they use the same concepts to validate their ideologies.